Subject: Fwd: Dynamic Chamber Intake manifolds
From: "Perry Mick" <>
Date: 2/2/1999, 5:45 PM
To: perrym@teleport.com




Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:14:24 -0800
From: Paul <rotaryeng@earthlink.net>
To: z <rotaryeng@earthlink.net>
Subject: Dynamic Chamber Intake manifolds

Tracy Crook wrote:


Paul Yaw wrote:

That is way off base.  Velocity is determined by the rate of change 
of
volume of the working chamber, and inlet cross sectional areas.  
The
side port motors make less power because they don't flow nearly as 
well,
and unless thay are bridge ported, they have almost no overlap.  
This
theory illustrates a VERY poor understanding of flow dynamics.


Read your own responce carefully to see my point.   As you said, 
Velocity is
determined by the volume and cross sectional area of the runners.  
Since we
are feeding the same volume with BOTH runners,  the cross sectional 
area of
the runners must be ADDED.  For a given sized runner, velocity is cut 
in
half when you go from 1 runner (peripheral port)  to 2 runners (side 
port).
This is one of the reasons the side port engine flows so much less 
than the
peripheral port.   I wish you had addressed the fundamental question 
in the
previous message.  Is velocity important or not?  If it is important, 
the
understanding was right on.   If you think it is not important, let's 
hear
the arguments for why not.

I'm starting to repeat myself on the issue of peripheral Vs side port 
but
I'll say it once more.   In the real world of actually flying these 
things,
we of limited time and financial resources are going to use the side 
port
engine.  There is nothing to be gained by comparing peripheral ported 
Le
Mans racing engines and stock or street ported side port engines.   
But, for
the sake of pure achedemic argument, do the math and figure out the 
relative
cross sectional areas of two 1.5" dia. runners Vs one 2" runner.   Oh 
hell,
I'm so worked up I'll do it.   The 2" 'sewer pipe' has LESS area than 
two
1.5" runners.  (3.14159  Vs  3.534 sq. inches)  IMHO, The two inch 
runners
(on the Le Mans engine) are not sewer pipes but a carefully chosen 
dimension
to optomize velocity  and of course match the throttle body size (keep 
the
cross section the same).

Tracy Crook   rws@altavista.net

Paul Lamar wrote:
Use two tapered intake pipes near the ports and make them bigger.
Paul Lamar

Tapering the pipes will cause them to resonate at a higher 
frequency.  I
found this stated in literature years ago, and thought it seemed
impossible, so I did some testing and found this to be true.

Paul Yaw

Raising the resonant frequency is the last thing we want to do.  I 
assume
that was your point.  My understanding of intake manifold runners at 
this
point, is that cross sectional area should be as constant as possible.  
Not
an expert here.  Is that true?

Tracy Crook   rws@altavista.net

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