Subject: Ed's intake tubes.
From: Paul
Date: 3/26/1999, 2:29 PM
To: zz

Anderson Ed wrote:

Paul,

You right, of course, that the a butterfly is only a valve, however, in
this case the throttle body casting has holes for the four injectors as
well as the mount for the fuel rails.  I could of course plug up those
holes and weld in some new injector bungs closer to the intake port and
gain the benefits you mentioned. I had actually considered doing that
but just did not see the benefit worth that amount of work.  If I were
going to do that I would consider using a very light IDA throttle billet
offered by TMW that is only 1" thick (simply thick enough to hold the
butterfly valves and shafts) which would save some weight over the weber
throttle body casting and then add some injector bungs on each tube
runner.  

But that is intake mod 3 for later {:>}.  Neil pointed out that
I may be able to use the stock bottom manifold as I have milled some of
the flange off the Delotro upper manifold casting which reduced the
likely hood of interference with my motor mount that I initially had.
This would be a quick check on just how bad my homemade slab manifold
is. I noted Neil's comments about the frosting on the tubes of
carburated intake systems.  I don't think that would be a problem with
fuel injector with no venture pressure drop, but you never know.

Ed Anderson


The fuel vapor distribution problem could be a part of your HP loss.

You should be able to save a bunch of weight and use 0.049
or 0.065  wall aluminum tubing. That is available pre bent in
1.5 inch, 1.625 inch and 1.75 inch diameters from
Burns in 0.049 and 0.065 wall 6061-0.

I was a little surprised when you mentioned some time ago
Burns did not have what you needed. 
See the Burns HTML catalog sheet below.

What diameter and length did Paul Yaw recommend?

You might be able to sell the throttle body you 
have to a car racer.


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 6061 Straight Tubing

  6061 U-bends

 6061 L-bends : 90 degree

For intake and cooling systems 6061 aluminum is the least expensive and most versatile of the heat treatable alloys. In annealed T0 condition it has good formability for bending.

The full-temper T6 properties may be obtained by solution heat treating and artificial aging after welding.

Not recommended for exhaust systems.
We will be glad to share our experience in working with aluminum.

 

Part Numbering System for all pre-bent tubing

Bend

O.D.

CLR

Gauge

Material

UB

200

30

16

6061

 
Bend: UB = 180 degree bend, LB = 90 degree bend, 45 = 45 deg.

  • O.D.: Outside diameter of tubing: 150 = 1 1/2", etc.
  • CLR: Centerline radius: 1/2 the distance between the centerline of the straight legs of a 'U' bend (i.e. 30 = 3")
  • Gauge: Tubing wall thickness: 16 = .065", 18 = .049"
  • Material: Tubing designation: 304, 321, 6061

6061 Aluminum
STRAIGHT TUBING

 Use 5356 filler rod for maximum strength

Use 4043 filler rod for max corrrosion resistance

Tubing Size

Part Number

1' - 5'

6' +

3/4 ''

ST-075-16-6061

$4.60

$3.85

1 ''

ST-100-16-6061

$4.89

$3.97

1 1/4 ''

ST-125-18-6061

$4.06

$3.19

1 3/8 ''

ST-138-16-6061

$6.69

$5.68

1 1/2 ''

ST-150-16-6061

$5.56

$4.18

1 5/8 ''

ST-163-17-6061

$6.85

$5.55

1 3/4 ''

ST-175-16-6061

$6.63

$5.37

1 7/8 ''

ST-188-17-6061

$7.98

$6.45

2 ''

ST-200-16-6061

$7.92

$6.40

2 1/8 ''

ST-213-16-6061

$8.95

$7.25

2 1/4 ''

ST-225-16-6061

$8.29

$6.71

2 1/2 ''

ST-250-16-6061

$8.44

$6.83

3 ''

ST-300-16-6061

$12.52

$10.12

3 1/2 ''

ST-350-16-6061

$13.20

$10.90

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6061 Aluminum

U-BENDS - 4" x 4" legs

Tubing Size

Part Number

Qty 1 - 4

5 - 9

10 - 19

20 - 49

50 +

3/4 ''

UB-075-20-16-6061

$21.34

$19.27

$17.18

$15.13

$13.90

1 ''

UB-100-25-16-6061

$21.54

$19.47

$17.38

$15.33

$14.10

1 1/4 ''

UB-125-20-18-6061

$17.13

$15.62

$14.10

$12.59

$11.68

1 3/8 ''

UB-138-25-16-6061

$25.87

$23.40

$20.92

$18.45

$16.95

1 1/2 ''

UB-150-25-16-6061

$21.66

$19.59

$17.50

$15.45

$14.22

1 5/8 ''

UB-163-25-17-6061

$25.82

$23.35

$20.87

$18.40

$16.90

1 3/4 ''

UB-175-30-16-6061

$24.51

$22.15

$19.98

$17.46

$16.05

1 7/8 ''

UB-188-30-17-6061

$25.90

$23.43

$20.95

$18.48

$16.98

2 ''

UB-200-30-16-6061

$25.75

$23.28

$20.80

$18.33

$16.84

2 1/8 ''

UB-213-30-16-6061

$40.50

$37.20

$33.88

$29.98

$27.50

2 1/4 ''

UB-225-40-16-6061

$32.54

$29.38

$26.30

$23.08

$21.19

2 1/2 ''

UB-250-40-16-6061

$37.30

$34.00

$30.70

$26.30

$24.32

 Use 5356 filler rod for maximum strength

Use 4043 filler rod for max corrrosion resistance

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6061 Aluminum

L-BENDS ( 90 degree )
4" x 12" legs
( * 3" x 6" )

 Use 5356 filler rod for maximum strength

Use 4043 filler rod for max corrrosion resistance

Tubing Size

Part Number

Qty 1 - 4

5 - 9

10 - 19

20 - 49

50 +

3/4 ''

LB- 75-20-16-6061

$21.34

$19.27

$17.18

$15.13

$13.90

1 ''

LB-100-25-16-6061

$21.54

$19.47

$17.38

$15.33

$14.10

1 1/4 ''

LB-125-20-18-6061

$25.87

$23.40

$20.92

$18.45

$16.95

1 3/8 ''

LB-138-25-16-6061

$17.13

$15.62

$14.10

$12.59

$11.68

1 1/2 ''

LB-150-25-16-6061

$21.66

$19.59

$17.50

$15.45

$14.22

1 5/8 ''

LB-163-25-17-6061

$25.82

$23.35

$20.87

$18.40

$16.90

1 3/4 ''

LB-175-25-16-6061*

$20.50

$18.85

$16.10

$13.90

$12.80

1 3/4 ''

LB-175-25-16-6061

$24.51

$22.15

$19.98

$17.46

$16.05

1 7/8 ''

LB-188-30-17-6061

$25.90

$23.43

$20.95

$18.48

$16.98

2 ''

LB-200-30-16-6061

$25.75

$23.28

$20.80

$18.33

$16.84

2 1/8 ''

LB-213-30-16-6061

$40.50

$37.20

$33.88

$29.98

$27.50

2 1/4 ''

LB-225-40-16-6061

$32.54

$29.38

$26.30

$23.08

$21.19

2 1/2 ''

LB-250-40-16-6061

$37.30

$34.00

$30.70

$26.30

$24.32

3 ''

LB-300-30-16-6061*

$45.50

$42.25

$39.00

$35.75

$33.80

3 ''

LB-300-40-16-6061

$52.50

$49.25

$46.00

$42.75

$40.80

3 1/2 ''

LB-350-45-16-6061

$85.00

$81.00

$77.00

$73.00

$69.00

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