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RJohn15183@aol.com wrote:

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(I got knocked off line right as I clicked the send button so sorry if this double posts)

<<We all know your stupid attitude about engineers Rob. >>

Apparently not.

<<"I ain't one so they don't know shit.">>

Just to keep the facts straight, the point I was making a while back that got you so incensed was that engineers are people too. They can be wrong just as much as the next guy. An engineering degree does not bestow some sort of mantle of god-hood upon you.

Case in point: Two engineers disagree. How could this be? One of them must be wrong but they are both infallible by virtue of their degrees. Whoa! Heavy paradox dude! That's right up there with "What is the sound of one hand clapping".  Groovy man!

You choose to twist that statement into some sort of "Rob hates engineers" thing. I worked with engineer's day in and day out in the aviation industry for over 11 years. Like any other group of humans, some of them were pretty damn sharp people whom I stood in awe of (and yet they still screwed up now and then). Some of them were morons who squeaked by and got their degrees at the very bottom of their classes. (That's just an example 'cause some of those guys who were weak academically could really do some good work, and vise versa)

Every now and then an engineer would draw up a repair and the Government engineer (FAA or military depending on where I working at the time) would approve that repair then it would turn out that for some reason or another that repair could not work. (No access or a duct in the way or any number of problems could come up including some very basic stuff like countersinking .020 alum instead of dimpling.) As the lead man it was my job to carry that blueprint back upstairs and let him (engineers were ALL he's in those days) know the problem. Some engineers (the real men) would go "Oops, let me fix that and re-submit it." However, some of them were big arrogant jerks and were quick to yell at you and point out how they were "degreed engineers" by God and how stupid and un-educated you were because their drawing was somehow unworkable in the real world.

We did not respect those guys and neither did the other "real men" engineers.

Which category do you fall into Paul?

I will speak no more on this topic in the public forum wasting others time. My e-mail is rjohn15183@aol.com if Paul or anyone else wants to continue this privately.

Cheers!
Rob Johnson

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Now you are implying I am not a real man. You really stoop low don't you Rob?

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