Subject: o ring status
From: Paul
Date: 9/27/2000, 1:19 AM


     > << There is no pressure to speak of on these o-rings with a properly vented
     >  oil sump system. They  are mainly there to seal the rotor housing from oil
     >  seepage when the engine is stopped. Only a limited amount of oil is trapped

     >  in the rotor when the engine stops. It is this trapped oil they are
     designed
     >  to seal from seepage down into the rotor housing cavities.  The oil O-rings

     > are
     >  above the top of the oil level in the sump when the properly installed up
     >  right rotary engine is stopped so no oil touches these o-rings.
     >  When they failed in my Cosmo the smoking stopped in a few seconds after
     >  startup and no abnormal oil consumption was noticed by me.
     >  In this regard the engine acted a lot like a radial engine.
     >
     >  Lynn I am sure you have had some experience along these lines.
     >
     >  The two metal oil seal rings  do all the oil scrapping while the engine
     >  is running.
     >
     >
     >  Paul Lamar
     >
     > I had a disabling "O" ring failure after running the same engine for three
     > years with oil temps of 230+. I ran the engine at home with no problem. We
     > took it off the trailer at Indianapolis Raceway Park and it started smoking
     > big time. I thought I might have mixed too much oil or mixed it twice over
     > the two weeks between races. I ran it on fuel with no oil at all and it kept

     > getting worse. I mean big white clouds of smoke like W.W.II. We went home.
     On
     > inspection, I found the "O" rings on the front side of the rear rotor had
     > decomposed into pieces about 1/2" long. There was little wear on anything so

     > I replaced the "O" rings and put it back together. Since it is unlikely that

     > both "O" rings failed at the same time, (we may have been running for some
     > time with just one ring working) I have wondered if I could get away with
     > just running the inside scraper and do away with some drag. Also I notice
     > that the center hole in the iron could be larger, and maybe the single
     > scraper with less spring pressure would be more effective. The scrapers have

     > to deal with all of the oil expended from each bearing and the oil spray
     > holes in the crank. This, and a big centrifugal load on the oil. Since we
     got
     > the oil temp down to 190-200 we have had no additional problems.
     > Lynn E. Hanover.

     I forgot about the centrifugal oil load on the oil rings. Very good point
     Lynn.
     Thanks for bringing that up.

     BTW I just bought some O-rings for the wiggins coupling from McMaster
     Carr. They did not have the size and material I needed in the catalog but
     they got them to me anyway by UPS Red Label. So I think we can get the
     teflon encapsulated silicone oil control o-rings from McMaster Carr as well.
     The size I think we need for the outer ring is 4 3/4 ID 3/32" section
     which should have an AS568A-158 number. The inner ring should be
     an AS568A-157. That would be a 4 1/2 ID with a 3/32" section.
     I could be wrong on this. Tom Kimsey has a set so we shall see.

     I think we can up the temperature of the oil going into the engine out of the
     oil cooler to 250 degrees F if these 500 degree F oil O-rings are used
     and are successful.

     BTW This is the oil temp  Continental used on the Voyager engine the
     Rutans used to fly around the world non-stop in 216 hours. Patrick Swayzes
     Cessna 414 with water cooled turbo Continental six's also, I suppose, use
     this oil temperature limit. The benefits are  less heat loss to the oil,
     less fuel consumption and a smaller oil cooler hence less cooling drag.
     The stock gen II oil cooler would then be more than adequate for over 200 HP.

     Paul Lamar

Jean Fouche wrote:

     Paul

     In your opinion and experience; which fails the soonest - outer or inner oil
     control o-ring?


I have no idea Jean. Bruce Turrentine might be able to answer that as he has
overhauled many engines.

Paul Lamar
 
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