Subject: Fixed Pitch Prop Specs
From: ACRE NL
Date: 9/19/2001, 2:57 PM


Bill,
If you ever get time I would love to have the specs for a fixed pitch prop optimised for a 70" length, 225 HP and 200 to 225 MPH.  I have prop carving on my LONG list of things to learn.

Ken Powell

Ken Powell
kenpowell@aristotle.net


Perry is building something close to that Ken for test with the LAEV
hub as we speak.

Paul Lamar


You did not specify shaft rpm for that power level, so I assumed prop rpm of 2700.
Inputting a design top speed of 210 mph , with your 70 inch diameter, I got the following
recommended size. The program assumes a flat bottm clark Y type foil, with pitch
measured to this surface. The lift coeff for this foil at that zero angle is roughly 0.4
and drag for typical prop aspect ratio about  0.02. The program picks a true helical pitch
for that angle of attack - relative to disk flow thru velocity, and comes up with a tad over
87 inch pitch. The disk delta V at that point is only about 19 ft per second. tip airflow
speed is about 887 fps (faster tan a 45 slug, and about 10 percent above recommended
for a wood prop.predicted  thrust is about 340 lbsf for a bit over 83 percent eff.
Proposed dimensions would be
      radius            blade width       blade angle        eff air velocity
       0.9 R                   4.9                  23.7                   811
       0.7R                    6.0                  29.5                   663
       0.5R                    7.7                  38.4                   526
       0.3R                     8.0*               52.9                   410
* the 0.3 radius zone  is usually highly blocked, and even theoretical  contribution
to thrust is less than 10 percent. The only prop I have seen that carries the width
for constant HP per square foot  this far in is the prop for the Carter Copter.

This is a theoretical undisturbed inlet prop - pushers need more pitch
to compensate for the velocity accelleration around the fuselage.
Berkuts routinely use over 90 inches of pitch. Also for this to be valid
- you really need to have a plane clean enough to go 210 with 225 HP
Vance



Vance,
Thanks for taking the time to run this thru your program.  I plan to turn my 13b up to 7400 RPM which equals 2,597 prop RPM.  I have the prop program spreadsheet by John Ronze (sp?? - the guy of Longez canard and RV-9 wing fame) that I have used to run the numbers but that data is at work and I do not have the data (or the program) before me or I would compare the data points.  I think that his program also used the Clark Y airfoil.  I was also interested in what airfoil would really be best suited to this flight envelope - is the Ckark Y really still the best?

Here is Vance's program I think Ken. You will need QB or GW Basic to run it.

Paul Lamar


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PRPLRIT5.BAS
 CLS
 ' PRPLRITF PROPELLOR PROGRAM FOR ITERATION TO PREDICT ENGINE POWER RQD
 ' NO ENGINE POWER CURVES USED JUST REQD POWER PRINTED OUT
 ' UPDATED FOR ALTITUDE INPUT
 ' PROGRAM FOR STATIC AND MOVING THRUST
    
 DIM BladeAng(10), BladeWidth(10)
 DIM ANG(30), CL(30), CD(30)
 DIM PlaneSpeed(20), RPM(20)
 DIM HPD(80):             ' USED IN POWER SUBROUTINES
    
     ' FIXED DATA
     PI = 3.1417
     G = 32.18
     ' ------------------ INPUT DATA -----------------------
     'INPUT "Input a name for this prop case (less than 8 char.)", CASE$
     'CASE$ = LTRIM$(CASE$)
     'CASE$ = MID$(CASE$, 1, 8)
     'filename$ = CASE$ + ".DAT"
     filename$ = "vance.dat"   'test
GotGoodFileNam:
     OPEN filename$ FOR OUTPUT AS #1

AIRDSL = 2.37689E-03

'INPUT "INPUT DESIRED ALTITUDE IN FEET ";
ALTF = 0

AIRDEN = 2.37689E-03 * ((1 - 6.8753E-06 * ALTF) ^ 4.2651)

'INPUT "INPUT CONDITIONS PROP DIA, PITCH (INCHES) ",
'edit
DIA = 72
PITCH = 70

'INPUT "INPUT BLADE WIDTH AT .9, .7, .5, .3 RADIUS ";
'edit
BladeWidth(9) = 4
BladeWidth(7) = 4
BladeWidth(5) = 4
BladeWidth(3) = 4
    
'INPUT "INPUT BLADE ANGLE AT .9, .7, .5, .3 RAD.  OR ZEROS FOR TRUE HELICAL  PITCH ";
'edit
BladeAng(9) = 0
BladeAng(7) = 0
BladeAng(5) = 0
BladeAng(3) = 0

'INPUT "Input # of desired plane speeds (1 if all you want is cruise) "; NSPD
    
'     FOR NS = 1 TO NSPD
'     INPUT "INPUT PLANE SPEED MPH "; PlaneSpeed(NS)
'     INPUT "INPUT STARTING PROP RPM "; RPM(NS)
'     NEXT NS
NS = 1
NSPD = 1       'test
PlaneSpeed(NS) = 200    'test
RPM(NS) = 2000  'test

'     INPUT "INPUT FUSELAGE CROSS SECT AREA SQFT, DRAG COEFF (.2 AVG) ";
'edit
AFUS = 16
CDFUS = .2
    
'     INPUT "INPUT 1 FOR SHORT PRINTOUT 2 FOR LONG ";
'edit
PCODE = 2
   
CLS

     ' --------------------- HARD COPY OF INPUT DATA -------
     IF PCODE < .9 THEN GOTO DataForAirFoil:               '3200
    
     PRINT #1, "PROGRAM PRPLRITF - FOR THRUST AND POWER AT DESIGNATED SPEEDS AND RPM"
     PRINT #1,
     PRINT #1, DATE$, TIME$
     PRINT #1,
     PRINT #1, "         CASE ="; CASE$
     PRINT #1, "     ALTITUDE ="; ALTF
     PRINT #1, " FT - DENSITY ="; AIRDEN
     PRINT #1, "     PROP DIA ="; DIA
     PRINT #1, "    IN  PITCH ="; PITCH; "  IN  "
     PRINT #1, "          RPM ="; RPM
     PRINT #1, "FUSELAGE AREA ="; AFUS
     PRINT #1, "   DRAG COEFF ="; CDFUS
     PRINT #1, "BLADE WIDTH @ .9R ="; BladeWidth(9); "  .7R ="; BladeWidth(7); "  .5R ="; BladeWidth(5);
     PRINT #1, "  .3R ="; BladeWidth(3)
     PRINT #1,
     PRINT #1,

DataForAirFoil:       ' 3200 REM --- DATA FOR AIR FOIL ---
     ' CLARK Y WITH 6 ASPECT RATIO
     ' ANGLE ATTACK, LIFT COEFF, DRAG COEFF
     DATA -35,-1.25,.4
     DATA -30,-1.55,.3
     DATA -25,-1.4,.15
     DATA -20,-1.12, .1
     DATA -15, -.74, .04
     DATA -10, -.38, .02
     DATA -5, 0, .01
     DATA 0, .38, .02
     DATA 5, .74, .04
     DATA 10, 1.12, .1
     DATA 15, 1.4, .15
     DATA 20, 1.55, .3
     DATA 25, 1.25, .4
     DATA 30, 1.0, .6
     DATA 35, .8, .8
     DATA 40, .6, 1
     DATA 45, .55, 1.2
     DATA 50, .5, 1.5
     DATA 55, .45, 1.7
     DATA 60, .4, 2
     ' LOAD AIRFOIL DATA
     FOR N = 1 TO 20
     READ ANG(N), CL(N), CD(N)
     NEXT N
     '************* SPEED LOOP ***********************
     FOR NS = 1 TO NSPD
     PVEL = PlaneSpeed(NS)
     PLANEV = PVEL * 88 / 60
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1, "  MPH__RPM__THR__THR__BHP__DELTA__EFF__JET__SYS__NET(-FUS DRG)___ANG__ ATT"
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1, "            LBS__HP___REQ_V(FPS)_PRP__EFF__EFF___THR__THRHP__@.9R__.7R__.3R"
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1,
     '***********************************************************
     DELRPM = 100
     RPM = RPM(NS) - DELRPM
     FOR NR = 1 TO 14
     RPM = RPM + DELRPM
    
     '******************* RPM LOOP **************************
     ' ZERO OUT VALUES FOR LOOP
     HPTOT = 0
     THRTOT = 0
     JETTOT = 0
    
     ' COMPUTATIONS
     ' LOOP FOR RADIUS POINTS
     IF PCODE < 2 THEN GOTO PcodeLessThan2       ' 4150
     PRINT #1, " | RADIUS | "; "WIDTH | "; "ANGLE | "; "HP ZONE | "; "LIFT THRST | ";
     PRINT #1, "AOA | "; "PITCH | VEL |"
     PRINT #1,

PcodeLessThan2:                '  4150 REM
     RADT = 0
     DELVT = 0
     '************************************************************
     FOR RAD = .3 TO .9 STEP .2
     LRAD = INT(.1 + (RAD * 10))
     RZMIN = RAD - .1
     RZMAX = RAD + .1
     WIDZON = BladeWidth(LRAD)
     PLVEL = RPM * DIA * RAD * PI / (12 * 60):        ' PITCH LINE VEL - FPS
     BLANGT = PITCH / (RAD * DIA * PI)
     BLANG = BladeAng(LRAD) * PI / 180:               ' BLADE ANGLE IN RADIANS FROM INPUT LINE
     IF BladeAng(LRAD) < 1 THEN BLANG = ATN(BLANGT):  ' BLADE ANGLE IF INPUT ZEROS
     BLANGD = BLANG * 180 / PI:                        ' BLADE ANGLE IN DEGREES
     DISCAR = (((RZMAX * DIA) ^ 2) - ((RZMIN * DIA) ^ 2)) * .7854 / 144
     BLDAR = DIA * (RZMAX - RZMIN) * WIDZON / 144
    
     ' AREAS IN SQUARE FEET -BLADE AREA FOR TWO BLADES
     TOUT = 0
     '
     INVFAC = 1!
     ' INVFAC IS THE FACTOR FOR INLET VEL RELATIVE TO MOM VEL
     '
     ' ---------LOOP FOR DELTA V ----------------------
     FOR DELV = 10 TO 190 STEP 10

LoopForDeltaV:                           ' 4360
     AIRVEL = PLANEV + (INVFAC * DELV)
     AIRANG = ATN(AIRVEL / PLVEL)
     ANGAT = BLANG - AIRANG
     ANGATD = ANGAT * 180 / PI
     NAFD = INT((ANGATD / 5) + 8)
     AIRWF = AIRVEL * AIRDEN * DISCAR
     MOMF = AIRWF * DELV
     DELCL = CL(NAFD + 1) - CL(NAFD)
     DELANG = ANGATD - ANG(NAFD)
     CLZON = CL(NAFD) + (DELANG * DELCL / 5)
     LFTVEL = PLVEL / COS(AIRANG)
     LFTQ = AIRDEN * .5 * (LFTVEL ^ 2)
     LIFT = CLZON * LFTQ * BLDAR
     DELCD = CD(NAFD + 1) - CD(NAFD)
     CDZON = CD(NAFD) + (DELANG * DELCD / 5)
     DRAG = CDZON * LFTQ * BLDAR
     LIFTHR = LIFT * COS(AIRANG) - DRAG * SIN(AIRANG)
     TORDRG = DRAG * COS(AIRANG) + LIFT * SIN(AIRANG)
     HPZON = TORDRG * PLVEL / 550
     DVHEAD = (DELV ^ 2) / (2 * G)
     ' JET HP
     EXVEL = PLANEV + DELV
     JETHP = LIFTHR * EXVEL / 550
     IF MOMF > LIFTHR THEN DELV = DELV - 1: TOUT = 1: GOTO LoopForDeltaV: '4360
     IF TOUT > 0 THEN GOTO ExitDeltaVLoop   ' 4670
     NEXT DELV
     ' ---------------- END OF DELT V LOOP ---------------
     ' OUT OF LOOP

ExitDeltaVLoop:                    ' 4670 ' OUT OF LOOP
     IF RAD = .9 THEN AAT9 = ANGATD
     IF RAD = .7 THEN AAT7 = ANGATD
     IF RAD = .5 THEN AAT5 = ANGATD
     PRINT #1, USING "######.##"; RAD; WIDZON; BLANGD; HPZON; LIFTHR;
     PRINT #1, USING "######.##"; ANGATD; PLVEL; DELV
     IF PCODE < 1.5 THEN GOTO PcodeLessThan1.5:            '4740
     PRINT #1, USING "######.##"; RAD; WIDZON; BLANGD; HPZON; LIFTHR;
     PRINT #1, USING "######.##"; ANGATD; PLVEL
     PRINT #1,
PcodeLessThan1.5:                  '4740
     HPTOT = HPTOT + HPZON
     THRTOT = THRTOT + LIFTHR
     JETTOT = JETTOT + JETHP
    
     ' DEVICE FOR WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF DELTA V
     DELVT = DELVT + RAD * DELV
     RADT = RADT + RAD
     NEXT RAD
     ' ************ CORRECTION FOR ADDED FUSELAGE DRAG *************
     DELVA = DELVT / RADT
     EXVELA = PLANEV + DELVA
     FUSQ = AIRDEN * .5 * (PLANEV ^ 2)
     FUSQP = AIRDEN * .5 * (EXVELA ^ 2):  ' FUSELAGE Q IN PROPWASH
     FUSDRG = FUSQ * AFUS * CDFUS
     FUSDRGP = FUSQP * AFUS * CDFUS:       ' FUSELAGE DRAG IN PROPWASH
     DELDRG = FUSDRGP - FUSDRG
     PRINT #1, "               FUS DRAG = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "####"; FUSDRG
     PRINT #1, "       DRAG IN PROPWASH = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "####"; FUSDRGP
    
     ' -------- SUMMATIONS ---------------------------
     THRHP = THRTOT * PLANEV / 550
     THRNET = THRTOT - DELDRG
     EFF = THRHP / HPTOT
     JEFF = JETTOT / HPTOT
     TVEL = (((PLVEL / .9) ^ 2) + (AIRVEL ^ 2)) ^ .5
     NTHRHP = THRNET * PLANEV / 550:                ' NET THUST HP
    
     SEFF = NTHRHP / HPTOT:             ' SYSTEM PROPULSIVE EFF WITH ADDED FUS DRAG
    
     PRINT #1, "              PLANE VEL = "; PVEL
     PRINT #1, "                    RPM = "; RPM
     PRINT #1, "                  PITCH = "; PITCH
     PRINT #1, "           TOTAL THRUST = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; THRTOT
     PRINT #1, "               TOTAL HP = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; HPTOT
     PRINT #1, "              THRUST HP = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; THRHP
     PRINT #1, "    FUSELAGE ADDED DRAG = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; DELDRG
    
     PRINT #1, " THRUST MINUS THIS LOSS = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "####"; THRNET;
     PRINT #1, " LBS"
    
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1, USING "#####"; PVEL; RPM;
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1, USING "#####"; THRTOT; THRHP; HPTOT; DELVT;
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1, USING "##.###"; EFF; JEFF; SEFF;
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1, USING "######"; THRNET; NTHRHP;
     IF PCODE = 1 THEN PRINT #1, USING "####.#"; AAT9; AAT7; AAT5
     IF PCODE < 1.5 THEN GOTO PcodeLessThan1.5A               '5170
     PRINT #1,
     PRINT #1, "            PLANE SPEED = "; PVEL; "MPH"
     PRINT #1, "                    RPM = "; RPM
     PRINT #1, "    PITCH AT THIS POINT = "; PITCH; " INCHES"
     PRINT #1, "APPROX AIR VEL OVER TIP = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "####"; TVEL;
     PRINT #1, " FT/SEC"
     PRINT #1, "           TOTAL THRUST = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; THRTOT
     PRINT #1, "    HORSEPOWER REQUIRED = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; HPTOT
     PRINT #1, "              THRUST HP = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; THRHP
     PRINT #1, "          PROPELLOR EFF = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "##.##"; EFF
     PRINT #1, "    FUSELAGE ADDED DRAG = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; DELDRG
     PRINT #1, " THRUST MINUS THIS LOSS = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; THRNET;
     PRINT #1, " LBS"
     PRINT #1, "         JET HORSEPOWER = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "###.#"; JETTOT
     PRINT #1, "             JET HP EFF = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "##.##"; JEFF
     PRINT #1, "PROPULSIVE SYSTEM EFF (WITH FUS. DRG) = ";
     PRINT #1, USING "##.##"; SEFF
     PRINT #1,
     PRINT #1,

PcodeLessThan1.5A:                '5170 REM
     ' NEW RPM VALUE
     NEXT NR
     IF PCODE > .1 THEN PRINT #1,
     NEXT NS:                     ' NEXT PLANE SPEED
     IF PCODE > .1 THEN PRINT #1,
    
     CLOSE
     SHELL "MORE < " + filename$
     SYSTEM
     END