Subject: Suggestions please.
From: ACRE NL
Date: 11/16/2001, 3:41 PM



Don Moncrieff wrote:

The big day arrived. As far as I could tell I was ready to start
my 88
turbo 13B after two years of preparation. I had wired in Tray's
EC2. I
mixed the fuel. All relevant switches on. Full pressure at 60
psi! The
warning light on my Grand Rapids EIS was blinking like crazy
(the screen
seemed to indicate that this was related to the engine being
cold). I
pressed the start button. The starter kicked in with enthusiasm.
The
engine turned over. I could hear pressure popping as the apex
seals slid
by the exhaust ports. But the was it! More tries. Same results.
No
start!
    After some snooping I discovered that no fuel was getting
into the
fuel rails and there was no spark.
    The Haynes Manuel was a challenge for me. With a lot of
confusion I
finally realized that I had assumed that "primary" as in
"primary fuel
rail" also indicated where the fuel was supposed to go first.
How mixed
up can one get! Anyway I switched the fuel hoses so fuel entered
at the
secondary rail and it worked! Fuel pressure stabilized at about
40 psi
and excess fuel poured out the return hose! Wow! A problem still
existed
since pressure dropped to about 2 psi a minute after shutting
the fuel
pump off. I decided to live with that for a while and turn to
finding
the missing spark.
    The crank angle sensor checked OK
    Coils checked OK
    Igniter (I don't know how to check this)
    Wires to and from the EC2 checked OK
    I had shortened the high tension leads and they showed
slightly less
resistance than the original leads.
    I pulled a plug, attached it to its lead, turned the
switches on,
pressed "start", the engine turned over as if anxious to go, but
no
spark!
    I then thought "I need some suggestions" so here I am.
            Thanks,  Don Moncrieff
P.S. Please do not suggest "Give up!"



 Don, there used to be a low cost pulse sensor prob that one could
buy from  Radio Shack. 
I am not sure about the exact wireing but you might use one of
these to check for a pulse to the igniter. I am sure Tracy can help you
here.

Paul Lamar



Hi Don,

    Sounds like having fixed the no fuel problem and the problem now
is no
spark  You mentioned connecting a spark plug to a ignition lead but
the
results was no spark.  Did you try this for both the Leading and
Trailing
spark plugs?  3 of us flying rotary engines have had the lead
ignitior fail
due to a small ohm resistor in the base on the unit opening up.  We
have all
replace that resistor with a high wattage one and have had no
problem since.
In this case there is no lead spark but there is a trailing spark,
so you
might check that.

  You might check and see if you can get a "Noid" light.  They have
them in
most autoparts stores and simply consist of a neon bulb in a plastic
disk
that you plug into the fuel injectors wiring harness.  They cost
about
$9.00 and the one you want is the one for the GM fuel injector.  You
could
probably make one.  In any case, if you stick one into an injector
electric
socket and turn the engine over it should blink as the injection
computer
sends the injector pulse.  If it blinks then that would indicate the
EFI
portion is working and you problem in on the ignition side.  If
neither the
ignition nor injector systems work then I would look to something
like the
Crankangle sensor wiring or harness wiring.

One thing to be careful of is the crankangle sensor.  Since the
color wire
schemes for the Crankangle sensor varied in some year models, it is
very
possible to hook up the crankangle sensor incorrectly just relying
on the
color codes of the wires coming out of it or its connector- ask me
how I
know {:>). So you might want to check that out and make certain the
correct
crankangle sensor leads are wired correctly.

Best Regards

Ed

Don Moncrieff wrote:

IT STARTED! Thanks Paul, Ed and Tracy. Your suggestions were very
helpful. Tracy spotted the key problem--I did not have the EC2 well
grounded. Once that problem was fixed the engine fired on the fumes left
from my previous experiments. What a surprise and what a thrill! It sure
is good to have you all with me. Don Moncrieff
 
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