Subject: temp control fans
From: ACRE NL
Date: 5/12/2002, 6:47 AM


"Brian D. Cain" wrote:

I'd like to jump on this one, Paul, and give my input.

I've been experimenting with many different types of electric fans
in the
Rx7 automotive platform for quite some time.  I've used Hayden,
Permacool,
Vintage Air, and the like.  Last October, after shorting out my
not-so-old
$170, 16" aftermarket fan (I still have no clue how it happened), I
went
hunting around the junkyards.  I figured I could find a fan that
would be
able to move enough air through the radiator (on a hot Texas summer
day)
thinking those same factory fans would have to be good enough for
that since
they're sold on factory cars in varying climates and environments.
After a
good 1/2 hr of kicking up dirt, looking under the hoods of various
junked
cars, I ran across the diamond in the rough -- A 1988 Pontiac Fiero
radiator
fan.  5 minutes and $10 later, I had my new test-fan ready to try
out as I
headed home for the install.  This fan, after studying it, has some
advantages, I think, over some of these aftermarket ones that are
common
from Mr. Gasket, Summit, JEGS, and the like.  Here's my reasoning:

- As stated before, this fan is equipped on a factory car that's
sold to
owners in varying climates and environments (read ambient
temperatures).  By
way of reasoning, it must be good enough to sustain reasonable
(coolant)
operating temperatures whilst the vehicle has a running A/C system,
on a
very hot summer day, sitting at idle engine RPM.
- This fan has a skinner and taller blower motor as compared to a
common
thread with the aftermarket ones; they all have short, fat, and wide
blower
motors, potentially increasing the amount of air drawn through the
radiator
per that same space being used by fan blades.
- This fan, unlike aftermarket ones, uses a plastic shroud that
shrouds a
greater surface area.  Aftermarket fans, like the one in the picture
as
posted by Paul, shrouds directly around the fan blades, making the
fan (in
my opinion) less efficient.

Of all of the fans I've used, I am by far the most impressed with
this $10
junkyard unit.  My water temperatures stay much colder (lower 180F's
instead
of higher 180F's to low 190F's), they drop more quickly if in the
event they
do rise from having sustained engine load, as well as my oil
temperatures
staying much lower than they were when I was using a different fan.
I'm not
sure of current draw, but it's somewhere inbetween 15A and 20A when
running
normally.  With the "hand over the fan" test, it's moving a tonne of
air;
substantially more than the older fans I used were.  This fan also
fit
nearly perfectly on my Summit 22" x 19" radiator and does fit
perfectly
around the factory radiator used on the 2nd generation Rx7.

I'm not sure how this plays out for you aircraft folk but I'd take a
look at
it and consider its merits.  Attached are two photos of this fan;
one of
them mounted to my Summit radiator as well as one operating on a
factory
radiator.  This should give you an idea of it.  Let me know if you
guys
would like any other pictures of the fan.  I'm armed with a digital
camera
and can take some w/ measurements.

B


Don't forget an idling  car engine with the AC on is probably
generating less than 10 HP. A car moving down the free way at 70 MPH
is probably using less than 40 HP. Climbing the worst hill you can
find at legal speeds will use a max of 100 HP. All this regardless of
the rated
power of the automotive engine. The automotive companies do extensive
cooling system testing simulating the actual use of the automobile in
their desert proving grounds. One of the most severe test is idling
with the AC on in the hot sun next to a building so the cooling
system will not benefit from any stray breezes. I did some aerodynamic
testing for GM at the Mesa AZ proving ground and saw these test being
performed.

An aircraft taking off and climbing out is generating 150 to 200 HP.
Since the waste heat is proportional to the HP generated you can see
the problem. Most electric fans are near useless after about 30 MPH.

Paul Lamar


The only reason for a fan is at idle or taxiing.   Helps keep the temps
under control until the big fan and/or aircraft speed take over after
the take off roll is started.  A fan is not going to help at all during
max climb out. The advantage of the fan is that one can design inlets
and outlets  that are effective at higher speeds and ignore the need
for huge draggy openings and complex cowl flaps whose only purpose is
to keep the engine alive on the ground.   Of course,  the big question
is can a fan really do this?      One thing to remember is that even at
idle, the big fan is helping.    Turn off  the fan after the airplane
hits 100 mph.  Jerry

 
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