Subject: Starters + Hand Propping
From: ACRE NL
Date: 6/29/2002, 3:20 PM


Can one start a rotary by hand proping?  If properly done, it's not
dangerous on
a recip, and you sure save dragging a lot of weight around for the
rest
of the
flight.

Even a variable pitch prop remains directly coupled, so once you
have
airborne
momentum, you have an air re-start capability, and like it or not
...
without
power, windmilling is more of a problem than not being able to "turn
the
engine
over".

Any problem feeding hand torque back through the PRSU?  Does it
"catch"
abruptly?  Too much compression, too quickly?  Or "piece of cake"?

Just curious,

Dale Smith


John Gibbons wrote:
 Hey Dale,

       Won't work. Your PSRU is going to cut the speed you can swing
your
engine in at least half. I would also guess that you would then also
have a
futher three fold reduction because of the gearing inside the rotary.
Unless
you were to use magnetos you would still need a  of some sort to
power your ignition. With a Lycosaurus you can just swing it fast enough
for
it to catch so you would have to increase your swing speed by 500 - 600
%.

Cheers,

John Gibbons


I think you have it backwards John. One rev of the prop is 2.17 revs in
the
engine.

I am not sure hand propping engine speed is an issue with electronic
ignition and
fuel injection properly timed for starting. You will need a battery of
course.

Paul Lamar


Whoops, and I thought dislexia only effected reading. But the rotor rotation
would be 1/3 of the shaft, correct ? I was once told you couldn't hand swing
an 80 hp Rotax because of the 2.17 reduction, of course I had to try and
they were right. Someone said they saw someone hand propping, was that a
rotary ? One rotor or two ?

Cheers,

John Gibbons (red faced)

I think it may be a prop rotational inertia issue. The prop perhaps just not 
heavy enough to keep rotating in the face of that 2 to 1 gear up to engine rotation.

Paul Lamar


 
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