Subject: Auto Conversion Judging Was Re: Evergreen AL Fly-in
From: ACRE NL
Date: 10/9/2002, 6:40 PM


Thanks, Doug

    I agree with your assessment and I think many of us do.  Not to take
away from those who have the talent and dedication to produce a "Show
Plane", I for one admire what it takes.  With so many kit built planes
now a
days, cosmetic differentiation is about all you can expect in many
cases.
However, I believe most of us on the list feel that auto conversions
simply
needs a different criteria about what is important.  I certainly don't
hold
it against the judges who volunteer their time and have to go by the
criteria in the EAA Judging Handbook (for the most part).

    I almost immediately received a somewhat irate e mail from the SERFI
(apparently the EAA immediately sent it to them and I probably should
have
done the same) and we continue to disagree on some points (including the
cosmetic aspect of judging and whether experimentation is still a focus
of
the EAA).  However, the good news appears to be that the SERFI has
appointed
an Auto Conversion board with Dick Simpson as its head to work out a
meaningful criteria.  While much remains to be done on establishing a
criteria, it appears that the point has been make that the focus should
be
on the FWF aspects.  A couple of their initial thoughts on criteria was
not
that bad and if they maintain that focus, just might come up with a
meaningful set.

    For example, the judging would be limited to auto conversions done
by
individuals and no factory FWF kits would qualify .  One the other hand
you
won't have to build your own PSRU as that - and certain other components
(not defined as yet) could be purchased.  However, if you did build your
won
PSRU you would probably garner more points.  Aircraft appearance would
not
be completely done away with, but would probably be used more as a "tie
breaker" between auto conversions.

In any case, I have offered to pull together some criteria for input to
this
committee.  You know how it goes, if you complain then your' asked to
put up
or shut up {:>).  I would appreciate any suggestions as to approach and
criteria input.  I personally think that perhaps a FWF should be first
broken into areas such as:  Engine Mount.  PSRU.  Engine. Ignition. Fuel
System, etc.  Then perhaps a set of common criteria for each section
such as
1. Soundness of Design 2. Reliability 3.  Fail safe/graceful
considerations
or what ever makes sense and can be judged. Perhaps there should also be
an
"Innovation factor" for extra points?   No doubt subjective will still
be
there in the judging, but this would help.  So send me any suggestions
and
I'll try to organize and pull it all together and then present it to the
list for comments.

One thing of interest, they indicated that they are considering
requiring
"Technical Data" and perhaps "Drawings".  While I think this could be
good,
it could turn into a paper mill, so any thoughts in this area would be
appreciated.

Ed (Stir up the Pot) Anderson

DRAWINGS!!!???? !&@(**)@#*()!()!*~&* Should the installation not speak for
itself?
Are these people from ISO9000 or what? Technical data yes. Flight test data
yes.
But drawings No. Drawings are way behind the times anyway. Shall we submit a
CD with
3D design data? Can they read it? Do they know that a rotary is not a piston
engine etc, etc
etc.

I share your frustration. But as in the rest of life; If you are worried
what the filthy unwashed
think of your efforts, you will die bitter and unhappy. Most free opinions
are worth what they
cost.

Monty

 
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