Subject: Pump Curves -- the rest of the story
From: ACRE NL
Date: 11/22/2002, 9:59 AM


Schertz, William W." wrote:

I set up my evaporator cores, hooked them to a garden hose, and did flow
measurements and pressure measurement tests on them, and have overlaid the
pressure rise with flow rate across the core onto the pump pressure curves
that I had previously published.  These are shown in the attached figure
"Pump_curve_core_data_clr.jpg".

Some items to take note of on the chart.

1. At full tilt - 5594 rpm, the pump which can deliver 44 gallons per
minute
at zero head, can force only ~20 GPM through a single core, and ~31.5 GPM
through two cores in parallel.

2. I have plotted the actual data points taken on the chart. They are on
the
"One Core" line, and I was restricted in how much water I could force
through the core by the capacity of the water line in my hanger, and the
length of hose leading to the core.  The curves are then, obviously an
extrapolation, using the fact that the pressure drop is expected to be
proportional to the velocity (flow-rate) squared. The data points are a
combination of the results for the two separate cores, combined for the
data
fitting.

3. At lower RPM's the flow is reduced dramatically, and these curves make
me
question the use of the "under-drive" pulley on the engine, to 'slow down
the water pump'.

4. I did not have an ammeter to measure the current into the motor, but the
1-hp motor did not have any problem driving the pump at ~5600 rpm.

5. I would not advocate having the radiator cap on the pump outlet side,
the
pressure that the cap would see would be the system pressure + pump
pressure, so it would be easy to create a condition where the radiator cap
could be overcome and fluid vented.  The more I think about it the better I
like Ian's & Lynn's approach of using a pressurized bottle with a
head-space.

6. These curves show the advantage of having the cores in parallel, even
though I know of a good working example of cores in series (Ed Anderson's).
I suspect that Ed's use of AN-16 fittings has contributed to a lower
entrance and exit losses than I am experiencing (basically transitioning
from 1-3/8 to 3/4").

Comments are welcome.

Bill Schertz

Keep up the good work Bill. We will soon have a ral handle on this
cooling problem.

Paul Lamar

" I did not have an ammeter to measure the current into the motor, but the
 1-hp motor did not have any problem driving the pump at ~5600 rpm"

I'd be VERY interested in knowing the current draw. Paul I believe the first
time I brought up electric pumps your rant was that at full flow it took
SEVERAL HP to drive a pump. Nothing like real numbers.
Granted, the 37 GPM ratings for the pumps offered are based on free flow but
I don't believe a company like CSI Performance is going to offer a dozen
models of highly tooled pump and continue to market them for 10 years based
on a BIG LIE.
...Chrissi

Cozy Mk-IV 13B Turbo
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Chrissi@BlueMountainAvionics.com

DRAG RACING!!!!! &^%$#@%^&! 

The engine generates full power for ten seconds and
shuts off then the electric  pump cools it off slowly.
The thermal time constant of the block is longer then ten seconds.

In a double A fuel dragster there is no cooling system at all!
None what so ever! Nada! Nothing! The block does not even have 
water passages!!!!

THINK!!!! You don't suppose ten of thousands of automotive engineers
around the world are not trying to get the last penny out of
the cooling system for the last 100 years? If you are making ten million
engines a year one cent savings is one hundread thousand dollars!!!
A lot of money. If they could drive the pump
with .1 HP don't you think they would be doing it?!!!!
An automotive engine averages 50 HP. We are trying to cool 150 HP!!!!!

!@#$%^&*&())(*&^%^$#@@!! SHEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!! :-)

Paul Lamar
 
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