Subject: LAEV pitch
From: ACRE
Date: 3/23/2003, 2:04 AM

ACRE wrote:

Incidently, the stated twist distribution for the LAEV blades is very
strange, and I have not heard any response on the reason and logic
of that decision - Vance J

As a guess Vance what speed would you say it is twisted for.
I think Bill made some assumptions as to the actual direction of the in
flow
around the hub. I think he assumed a certain amount of external
diffusion
directly in front of the cowl as I recall. Is it the hub angles
of attack you are concerned with?

Paul Lamar

That's what I thought too Vance when I tried to figure out what the
"pitch" of the blade was at various tip angles. All I could figure was
Bill de-pitched it near the hub because he knew it was for a tractor.
But I haven't asked him (yet).

--
Perry Mick

Vance W Jaqua wrote:

Here are a couple of plots of pitch distribution versus radial portions
of the blade versus a bunch of tip angle settings. The first is a simp;e
table, which I am sure a lot of the guys and gals have already
computed. The second is a graphic plotted against radius squared
which better shows the amount of disk area impacted by each radial
zone. The twist does not appear to be optimized for major areas of
true helical pitch. at any speed. In virtualy all settings, over 30 percent
of disk area
near the tip appears to be at least 20 percent under pitched ??
It will probably work reasonably well, since propellers are really
rather forgiving devices - but???
Vance J

Bill had some pretty good reasons for doing this at the time Vance.
As I recall we discussed this at length. If I get time I will look
up the pertinent messages.

>From memory I think the outer de pitching was to reduce the
transonic drag rise.

Paul Lamar

Here are a few of the charts Bill used as I recall.

Paul Lamar
 
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dia =  68 
  RPM    Tip FPS  Vel FPS    Vel MPH    Mach
  2200      653      716      488       0.70
  2250      668      729      497       0.71
  2300      682      743      506       0.72
  2350      697      756      516       0.74
  2400      712      770      525       0.75
  2450      727      784      534       0.76
  2500      742      798      544       0.78
  2550      757      811      553       0.79
  2600      771      825      563       0.80
  2650      786      839      572       0.82
  2700      801      853      582       0.83
  2750      816      867      591       0.84
  2800      831      881      601       0.86
dia =  69 
  RPM    Tip FPS  Vel FPS    Vel MPH    Mach
  2200      662      724      494       0.71
  2250      677      738      503       0.72
  2300      692      752      513       0.73
  2350      708      766      522       0.75
  2400      723      780      532       0.76
  2450      738      794      541       0.77
  2500      753      808      551       0.79
  2550      768      822      560       0.80
  2600      783      836      570       0.81
  2650      798      850      580       0.83
  2700      813      864      589       0.84
  2750      828      878      599       0.86
  2800      843      893      609       0.87
dia =  70 
  RPM    Tip FPS  Vel FPS    Vel MPH    Mach
  2200      672      733      500       0.71
  2250      687      747      509       0.73
  2300      702      761      519       0.74
  2350      718      775      529       0.76
  2400      733      790      538       0.77
  2450      748      804      548       0.78
  2500      764      818      558       0.80
  2550      779      832      567       0.81
  2600      794      847      577       0.82
  2650      809      861      587       0.84
  2700      825      875      597       0.85
  2750      840      890      607       0.87
  2800      855      904      616       0.88
dia =  71 
  RPM    Tip FPS  Vel FPS    Vel MPH    Mach
  2200      682      742      506       0.72
  2250      697      756      516       0.74
  2300      713      771      525       0.75
  2350      728      785      535       0.76
  2400      744      799      545       0.78
  2450      759      814      555       0.79
  2500      774      828      565       0.81
  2550      790      843      575       0.82
  2600      805      857      584       0.83
  2650      821      872      594       0.85
  2700      836      886      604       0.86
  2750      852      901      614       0.88
  2800      867      916      624       0.89
dia =  72 
  RPM    Tip FPS  Vel FPS    Vel MPH    Mach
  2200      691      751      512       0.73
  2250      707      765      522       0.75
  2300      723      780      532       0.76
  2350      738      794      542       0.77
  2400      754      809      552       0.79
  2450      770      824      562       0.80
  2500      785      838      572       0.82
  2550      801      853      582       0.83
  2600      817      868      592       0.85
  2650      833      883      602       0.86
  2700      848      898      612       0.87
  2750      864      912      622       0.89
  2800      880      927      632       0.90