Subject: RX8-Renesis vs 13B Coot
From: ACRE
Date: 5/5/2003, 11:07 PM


 > > > >  > > Ken Welter wrote:
 > > >>  > >
 > > >>  > >    The Ross gearbox that I had was a 3.17 to 1 and I don't think
 they
 > > >>  > > were the same gear set as the 2.17 to 1 but cant be for sure.
 > > >>  > >   That was the best ratio that I have run, much better than the
 2.95
 > > >>  > > that I am currently running but its not practical get any lower
 with
 > > >>  > > the cog belts I am running.
 > > >>  > >
 > > >>  > >   Ken Welter
 >
 >
 > > >>  > The 2.17 takes the power from the ring gear. I think if you take
 the
 > > >>  > power from the planet carries and hold the ring gear fixed you
 > > >>  > will get 3.17 out of the same planet set. This is also how the
 > > >>  > 2.85:1 works but that is an entirely different planet set.
 > > >>  >
 > > >>  > The one on the left is the 2.17 planet carrier and the one on the
 > > >>  > right is the 2.85 planet carrier. The sun gear shown fits both.
 > > >>  > So the sun gear diameter is smaller for the 2.17 giving a greater
 > > >>  > reduction when power is removed from the planet carrier.
 > > >>  >
 > > >>  > Paul Lamar
 >
 >
 > > >>  Ken could you give us a brief description of your setup and results.
 What is
 > > >>  your cruise, climb and max rpm? What engine mods from stock have you
 done
 > > >>  (i.e. oil pressure, rotor weight/balance, etc). I gather from other
 posts
 > > >>  you use NOX. How long is the NOX on and at what rpm. How many hours
 on
 > > >>  engine and any other comments on rpm? Also why did you prefer the
 3.17 to
 > > >>  the 2.95?
 > > >>
 > > >>  Thanks
 > > >>  Graydon Woods
 >
 > Ken Welter wrote:
 > >
 > >    My plane is a slow boat compared to most of you, it only cruises at
 > > about 110 mph but I takeoff at a gross weight up to 3100 lbs.
 > >   The engine that I am running 86 13b e-shaft and rotors with the
 > > rotors cut for 3mm seals, 85 GSELE rotor housings and 12a side
 > > housings and uses a Weber carb.
 > >   The nitrous is only used for about 5 to 10 seconds to lift it on the
 > > step and get it out of the water.
 > >   I run the engine up to 7000 to 7500 rpm on takeoff, climb out at
 > > 6500 to 6800 and cruise at 6000 to 6500 rpm.
 > >    The most I have put on one engine in the 1000 hrs on the old coot
 > > is about 400 hrs, had lots of engine failures with that ross gearbox
 > > but doing good now.
 > >   The reason I like the low ratio is if you run a 2 to 1 ratio you
 > > double the torque to the prop and a 3 to 1 you triple the torque and
 > > it takes torque to get static thrust and the more torque the bigger
 > > the prop you can swing to develop the thrust.
 > >   Now I admit that torque and thrust are not everything if you want to
 > > go fast but to lift gross weight especially out of the water its
 > > everything.
 > >   Check out my web site and there are some photos of my old coot that
 > > burned up a year ago, the new four place one is do to fly any day now.
 > >
 > > I looked at some old photos of my 3.17 ross and it does look like the
 > > 2.17 is the same gear set.
 > >
 > >   Ken welter
 > >   http://homepage.mac.com/rotarycoot/

 Thanks Ken, great info. Exactly what I wanted. Beautiful  pictures of your
 coot on the water.  As it snows heavily outside I can only dream of such
 thing right now :) Keep us updated on the new plane.

 Graydon Woods


Aren't those pictures great? I can verify it is as much fun as it looks.

Paul Lamar


   I don't recall the final approach photos before, check out the RPM
on the tack, 5000 and we are dropping out of the sky.

  Ken Welter

I have a bunch more that I have not uploaded. Not all are that good.

Paul Lamar
 
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