Subject: engine failure
From: ACRE
Date: 7/14/2003, 10:27 AM


 > >>>>>Chuck wrote:
 >>>>>
 >>>>>Well I did not make it to Arlington. I was over the Grand Canyon at
 >>>>>12000 ft when the engine suddenly started shaking and RPM dropped to
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>3900. Turn on the aux fuel pump, tried backup engine controller,
 >>>>>tried disabling trailing then leading ignition, everything looked
 >>>>>normal but RPM. GPS reported nearest airport was Marble Canyon 21
 >>>>>miles away. Set up best glide, headed for Marble Canyon, looked at
 >>>>>EGT and rotor #1 (rear rotor in RV6, front rotor in car) was showing
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>><400F. 12 minutes later, Marble Canyon was 1 1/2 miles out but could
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>not reach it so I set up approach on Highway 89A. It was looking
 >>>>>good until a truck pulling a travel trailer appeared from around a
 >>>>>curve, heading right for my intended touchdown spot. He made no
 >>>>>attemp to pull over, so I had to stay above him. After he passed, I
 >>>>>tried to set it down but did not have enough speed to flare so it
 >>>>>dropped in pretty hard. Got it slowed down and off the road, luckily
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>there was a nice wide spot waiting for me. I got out and surveyed
 >>>>>the situation, the port wing had struck a highway marker post just
 >>>>>inboard of the wingtip and ripped a 2 foot gash in the lower wing
 >>>>>surface. The main and tail spring gear were all slightly bent from
 >>>>>the impact. Later after the engine and I had cooled off, I pulled
 >>>>>the plugs one rotor at a time, and sure enough there is no
 >>>>>compression on rotor #1. My friend flew up and picked me up, we flew
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>home, loaded up tools and trailer and made the 8 hour drive up
 >>>>>there, removed the wings loaded it up and headed back to Safford.
 >>>>>It has been an interesting couple of days. It will take a bit longer
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>than that to repair the damage. I will report on the engine when I
 >>>>>get it apart.
 >>>>>
 >>>>>Chuck Dunlap
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>Real sorry to hear that Chuck.
 >>>>
 >>>>Thank heaven you made it OK. Congratulations on a saved-my-ass-job
 >>>>well done. Also good job on the design of the motor mount as the
 >>>>engine would have dropped out on the road if it had been weak.
 >>>>
 >>>>Were those three piece apex seals?
 >>>>
 >>>>For the new people. This is the very first failure of the basic
 >>>>engine that I have heard about in the five year history of the news
 >>>>letter. Apex seal failure is common on turbo engines that are subject
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>to detonation. Apex seal failure is rare on normally aspirated
 >>>>engines like Chuck's but has been experienced in car engines with the
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>three piece design. They are less tolerant of high wear. The new RX8
 >>>>motor has gone back to the two piece design.
 >>>>
 >>>>Paul Lamar
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>Hey Chuck,
 >>>I was looking for you at Arlington, since you were supposed to arrive
 >>>there before me. Really glad to hear there were no injuries. Can you
 >>>clarify something: did you have partial power at 3900 RPM on the way
 >>>down, extending your glide? If not, what were then conditions when the
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>engine quit running?
 >>>
 >>>That sounds similar to an apex seal failure I had in a 1987 turbo car.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>In that case it was the rear rotor. Suddenly the car lost power big
 >>>time. I could keep the engine running by keeping my foot on the gas
 >>>pedal. Managed to clutch and brake and keep the right foot on the gas
 >>>pedal for 30 miles to get me home, through stop lights and everything.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>Once home and I turned off the engine, it would not start again, as I
 >>>suspected it would not.
 >>>
 >>>--
 >>>Perry Mick
 >>>
 >>>
 >>Perry, sorry to miss you @ Arlington. The engine was running enough to
 >>extend the glide a bit. I had about 8000 ft AGL and I went about 21
 >>miles. I believe the glide ratio of the RV's is 10:1, if that is correct
 > >>I should have had a 15 mile glide with no power. It takes about 4100 RPM
 >>to maintain altitude in my ride.
 >>I have not yet tried to restart the engine, it kept running until I
 >>pulled off the highway and shut off fuel, that was all I needed.
 >>
 >>Chuck


 Chuck,
 Thanks for clarifying that. So it did continue to run, that is good
 news.  I think mine will barely stay level at 3800 RPM and 80 knots. But
 if I lost one rotor who knows if it would even make 3800?

 --
 Perry Mick
 Custom Composite Props
 mick@bridgingworlds.com
 http://www.ductedfan.com


   Another plus for a nitrous system, it could have made difference on
getting over that truck and making a good flair.
  It would have given an extra 40 hp for 1.5 minutes.

  Ken Welter

 
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