> > > > > > Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is an excellent example of the plane I am building with an IO-540
> > > installed.
> > > > > > (I hope mine turns out half as pretty!) Do you
> > > > > > think a Renesis, the new VAM exhaust, and Tracy's PSRU will improve
> > > > > > the air on the nose and the weight under the cowl to have
> > > > > > better performance than the Lycoming with 300hp?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, it seems every day I am amazed beyond belief at the engineering
> > > knowledge available here!
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > Ben
> >
> > > > > I think you will need a three rotor for something like that.
> > > > > You might wind up with a bit less weight than the IO-540.
> >
> > > My Starduster performs fine with a 180 hp Lyc. Since weight is a major
> > > consideration
> > > in homebuilt aerobatic airplanes wouldn't a turbo 2 rotor provide
> > > performance without the
> > > extra weight? There is plenty of space available under the cowling to route
> > > the exhaust
> > > away from the engine.
> > > - Gordon Haggard
> >
> > Aerobatic airplanes are real hard on turbos for oil drain back reasons.
> > Plus you are on and off the power so engine response might be an issue.
> >
> > Nobody that I know of has used a rotary for sustained inverted flight
> > so you would be on the bleeding edge there.
> >
> > Tracy's new gear box should be OK with a wood prop. Usually aerobatic
> > airplanes use constant speed props for good vertical penetration.
> > Unless you are willing to use an electric $10,000 Hoffman or MT you will
> > have difficulty adapting a hydraulic constant speed prop.
> >
> > Paul Lamar
>
> -> Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
> >
> > My thinking was to go with the Renesis for the same reason
> > one opts for the 13B over a Lycoming-new technology. Tracy seems to
> > think 250hp is realistic from the Renesis. I'm figuring, with a
> > sleeker cowl and less weight than the IO-540 performance should
> > be very good, especially for a 50 yr.-old dude who just wants to
> > have a good time (no competition) and fly some cross country.
> > The Acroduster Too first flew with the 200hp IO-360.
> > And, yeah, Paul I do plan to go with the MT electric CS prop,
> > in fact, the MTV-18 rated to 260hp looks like the choice.
> > Do you see any problems flying a rotary inverted?
> > Thanks!
> > Ben
>
> With a 2.85 gear box and 7000 RPM max you are looking at about 215 HP.
> Assuming you install a dry sump system the big questions is how the
> drain back oil out of the rotors oil will behave. It might drain
> back better than a plugs up engine :) On the other hand the main bearing
> oil drain backs point straight down and they may be more of a problem.
>
> Paul Lamar
>
> Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
>
> Paul,
> Don't you think I would be able to turn almost 8,000 rpm with
> the MT CS 3-blade prop and Tracy's 2.85? The prop is rated at 2800
> max rpm. What hp is reachable at that rpm? Do I have to go to a 3.15 ratio?
> Given that the main bearing drain back would be a problem, what do
> you think would be the inverted flight time limit--assuming
> no modification to the main bearing?
> Thanks!
> Ben
Yes of course. I did not know they ran that prop that high. I assumed
2700 which would be 7700. My guess at 8000 would be about 220 to 225 HP.
The new rating on the RX8 engine is 237 HP at 8500.
What is the prop diameter? You need a large
diameter for an aerobatics airplane to get good low speed thrust.
Like a helicopter :)
For a good aerobatics engine you might consider a supercharger
and a larger prop with the 2.85 psru. That will give you good
HP at the lower RPMs limited by the larger prop diameter. Don't
forget you will still need an intercooler.
Your guess is as good as mine on the main bearing oil drain
back. I don't know what will happen. You might want to build
a test stand with the engine mounted up side down.
Paul Lamar
Ben Baltrusaitis wrote:
Paul,
Are you suggesting a supercharger on the Renesis? I like that if one is adaptable.
The "new" hp rating on the Renesis has been lowered, is that correct?
Yes. 5 psi boost will give 240 HP at 7000 RPM.
The HP has been lowered to 237 from 247 at 8500 RPM.
Here are the specs on the prop:
MTV-18 (.pdf, 59k)
192 cm / 75.6 in 260 HP 2800
I like your helicopter analogy! If I go the supercharger route, maybe
I'll have to install a tail rotor for the vertical stuff.
I really appreciate this dialogue, Paul, thanks!
Gordon, I can't find you in the Starduster Registry. Are you listed?
Ben
Wow that is a big prop to go 2800 RPM.
Paul Lamar
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