Subject: RX-8 Oil analysis
From: ACRE
Date: 11/22/2003, 9:04 PM

Andy Hecker wrote:

You RX-8 drivers might enjoy this thread from an oil analysis forum.  First
analysis I've seen for a Renesis.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001030


Cheers,
 Andy

**********************************************************************************
                         Topic: Factory fill - Mazda RX-8 1.3L Renesis - 2037 miles on oil 
    molechaser 
    Junior Member 
    Member # 1823 

                        posted November 20, 2003 08:45 PM                        

Been lurking around this wonderfully obsessed forum for a while now and 
thought I would finally surface for air.

This is an analysis of the factory fill on my new Mazda RX-8. Some basic 
background info on the Renesis engine. Its a 2-rotor, normally-aspirated, 
Wankel engine. The construction is a sandwich with the rotor end housings 
made of cast iron and the rotor housings made of chrome-plated aluminum. 
The rotor side seals run on the end housings, and the apex seals run on the rotor
housings. The rotors themselves are cast iron. 

Mazda recommends only 5W-20 SL, GL-3 oil for this engine in the US 
(apparently 5W-30 elsewhere). The owner's manual hints that other 
viscosities could be used depending on ambient temperature, but 
the chart only shows 5W-20. The oil change interval is 7500 miles 
for normal service, 5000 miles for severe service, and 3000 miles 
for severe service in Puerto Rico (apparently has conditions 
similar to he1l  ). I will probably stay with roughly 3000 mile 
intervals unless the analyses show otherwise, mainly because Houston 
is closer to he1l than Puerto Rico.

A small amount of the engine oil is injected by a metering pump 
into the rotor chambers to lubricate the rotor apex seals, so
make-up oil is routinely needed. I changed the oil at 2000 miles 
because I was going to have to add a quart and did not want to
 dilute the factory fill.

The engine has twin oil coolers and total fill is about 7 quarts, 
but only 4 quarts drain on an oil change because the coolers are
located too low to drain.

Now for the numbers. Analysis by Blackstone sample numbers first, 
then universal averages. No TBN was requested because
this was factory fill and a short change interval.

                          code:


                            
                          Al    9,    4
                          Cr    5,    0
                          Fe   30,    9
                          Cu   19,    6
                          Pb    3,    2
                          Sn    2,    0
                          Mo  551,   42
                          Ni    0,    0
                          Mn    1,    0
                          Ag    0,    0
                          Ti    0,    0
                          K     9,    1
                          B   130,   38
                          Si   49,   10
                          Na    8,    3
                          Ca 1750, 1581
                          Mg    4,  194
                          P   745,  777
                          Zn  817,  988
                          Ba    1,    0
                          SUS viscosity @ 210F, 48.7,  52-61
                          Flashpoint F, 335, >355
                          Fuel%, 1.5, <1.0
                          Antifreeze%, 0.0, 0
                          Water%, 0.0, <0.1
                          Insolubles%, 0.2, <0.6



Blackstones comments: High wear and silicon are both common finds in new 
engines such as yours. The wear is high due to
break-in of new parts, while silicon is from sealers and sand-casted 
parts. The fuel is present because the rings have not
completely seated yet. Universal averages show typical wear 
metals for an oil from this type engine after about 2500 miles use.
We suspect your engine will look that good or better in two or three 
more oil changes. Check back for another look - all these
findings should improve in the next sample. Once past wear-in, 
you'll be able to run the oil longer.

***************************************************************************
Overall I am satisfied with the report and expect to see improvements as 
time goes on. About 3 quarts drained out when I
changed the oil. I re-filled with 4 quarts of 5W-20 Pennzoil 
and that just put it at the full mark on the dipstick (there are about 1.8
qt between full and low).

Comments from experts on the foum are appreciated and also any 
insight as to what the factory fill was.

                      Cameron-- 

The AirCraft Rotary Engine NewsLetter.  Powered by Linux.
ACRE NL web site. http://home.earthlink.net/~rotaryeng/            
Copyright 1998-2003 All world wide rights reserved.