Subject: Wright Flyer
From: ACRE
Date: 12/20/2003, 6:37 AM


It could take off at will and fly around like any
conventional airplane.
Of course all that was cheating :)

Paul Lamar

Paul, The part that I find interesting is that the Wright Flyer that
they have in the Smithsonian was built from sketches that one of the
Wrights did from memory! ALL the efforts to be genuine may have been
WRONG! Bill Jepson


True. Some of the projects took that into consideration.
Repaired by the Wrights of course after the crash on the day it first
flew.
It was then shipped to England. The Wright flyer stayed in a museum in
England for years and somebody over there made engineering drawings.

The drawings are still there in England. It was shipped back to the
states
"restored" and is now the one in the Smithsonian.

Paul Lamar


Barnhart wrote:

Flew the Wright Flyer simulator at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh today.
Crashed
both times.  VERY pitch sensitive. I knew that going in.  They also had
some
obstacles in the sim that got me. Most people don't last 5 seconds.  The
two
ladies running the sim said that everyone had crashed.

Barny
MGDQ 20bt


I have flown the simulator twice, once at Van Nuys, and once at Osh. First
time I was
successful, flew past all the buildings out to sea? second time crashed
right away
when I got crossed up on the hip cradle. My feeling was that the simulator
was not
too sensitive in pitch (probably not as bad as the real plane) but the roll
needed
instantaneous response  and then get off - like the rudder when taxying a
tail drager.
I have been working on the L A AIAA program - mostly on the engine and the
driveline
and the drawings are as bad as they say - I re created everything on auto
cad before
starting to cut and build. I have also run some aero predictions based on
the AIAA
wind tunnel tests - that hulk has just a little less drag than the USS
Constitution under
full sail. The engine purportedly will put out 16 HP when cold and well
adjusted
for a short time, and my numbers suggested  it needed every bit of that for
any
forward motion at 30mph Indicated (just a bit past stall at flight weight.
The
Wrights, like Lindberg, had a big helping of luck along with skill. I was
offering
2 to 1 money that they would fail - Damn! I hate it when I am right some
times.
Vance

Since you seem to have some time for this how about building a scale model
with up turned trailing edge and see if it helps the pitch problem.
Would be cool to have a scale model RC Wright flyer that was actually controllable.

You could start with just one cantilevered flying wing model glider as a quick check. 
To prove it to the IAA skeptics the canard could trail or just leave the
canard off all together.

Paul Lamar
 
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