Why do you need the NXT  - if you can truly put 900 hp in
a Lancair 4P you would wax him big time - no way does
he have less than half the flat plate drag of the lancair. The game
is almost pure horsepower over flat plate drag, and the bigger
heavier 4P  would have an easier time in traffic,
C'mon! lets put up the rotary money and go! - Vance

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Now you've done it Vance!!!!!!!!!......



You've managed to unleash my thoughts on this very subject which I've
harbored for a lots of years on ACRE....so here goes!!!!



I'm sick and  tired of periodically hearing the same old chant, over and over
again, on how the SUPERIOR 1200 hp 20B can easily beat the pants of anything
flying today at Reno, Blah, Blah, Blah and ETC, ETC, ETC........Followed
by.......loads of IFs up my ying-yat......And finally ending with the same
old
statement......."Too bad they won't allow Rotaries to participate at the Reno
Air Races".......Then everybody picks up their tarnished MARBLES and goes
home
muttering......."Even IF they did allow it, THEY would eventually handicap or
outlaw Rotaries after we beat the shit out of those N-F-G piston
grenades"....

The latest and most legitimate one brought up by Vance is......."Those big
Heavy HP iron's wake, will blow any Light weight A/C we could come up with,
clear
out of the sky regardless of HP employed.



Now here's my take on the whole blooming mess:!!!!!!!



As a rule, shit happens but it's always caused by THEY, the selfish,
egoistical, self centered, narrow minded  and insecure Shitheads out there
that fight to
keep their turf/domain(s) from being changed, (Sort of like the Rooster in
the Hen house).......Experience has taught me this well, and it can be turned
around IF, you're a "Doer" ;-)



If you guys are genuinly serious about doing something instead of continuing
doing NOTHING, WE could pool in our resources both technically and monetarily
and
get them to take notice by beating the pants off the Reno WINNERS per, or in
whatever Class we choose!!!!........HOW????,.......By very simply designing
and
building an A/C powered by a Rotary for the sole purpose of beating that
years Reno's  FASTEST bird's time!!!!......WHERE????........AT an annual
gathering on
an AIRPORT of our choosing. SANCTIONED by WHOM????.......Nobody but US at
first, BUT I'll personally guarantee that the WORD will get around, and the
Reno
clicks will take notice (Their Competitive Ego will make them), but more
importantly, the regular Joes, fliers, builders etc out there will also be
taking the
Rotary much more seriously.



Can this really be pulled off????

Yep!!!!!.......Right of the Bat and aside from personal donations by us, I
can easily see the people that are doing business with the Rotary making
Component,
Technical as well as Monetary donations for the cause and advertizing spot on
the actual A/C......Ransacking the Private Business sector......Placing a
modest
fee for the NO-charge ACRE Newsletter service (That's right Paul, nothing
legal or wrong with this, so  SHUT-UP or I'll have my BIGGER than you Buddy
Bulent,
feed you to the Aligators in his back yard).



I think I've made my point at a chance of a lifetime opportunity and taken
away all the EXCUSES.......So in conclussion I say "Either we SHIT or get off
the
POT" and stop WHINING!!!!!!!



Fire away guys,

Butch

The only problem with this message is it won't go over in Zanzibar :)

I figure all we need is $200,000. I'll donate $10,000 and my 20B core.
any other takers?

Paul Lamar

Yes or in Japanese farmhouses if you look down the hole in the middle of the
floor they call a toilet:-)  That said it seems these lively discussions are
getting the creative juices and a little adrenaline pumping. All ideas are
good until proven otherwise. Bad ideas are even better because they define
the flexibility of our thinking. Promoting the rotary's performance in any
race environment is a fine concept. Why not? Getting one working in our
individual airplanes is a much better though. Beside the satisfaction of
just 'doing it' we will give other homebuilt plane pilots the confidence and
assistance to do it also.

I've learned a heck of a lot about the rotary engine in the past six months.
and because of following the debates I am now 100% convinced it is the
engine for my project.  Thanks.. ALL of you guys and ladies.

Our problems are still in the details. The engine mounting system for
instance. The idea still needs tweaking but the beam between the motor/PSRU
has involved through lively discussion into a much better and stronger
concept. It approaches a one system fits all idea. It will change though.
Guarantee it:)

Each of us have slightly different application needs but common interests.
I'm interested in long range and biofuels, others in low cost engines or
pushing the HP limits.  We all have to tackle cooling challenges which I
suspect is why Jon or Burt  haven't been using the engine already. Each
airplane will have to smoothly duct air to a lower pressure outlet or live
with some more drag created by???   perhaps vortex generators near the
outlets? or highly efficient heat transfer material incorporated into the
fuselage of the aircraft?

The limits of craziness may be to blow all of the hot engine heat through
the cabin and  out through a pipe near the tail. I suspect some people at
this point are going to suggest where I can blow the hot air out of:)

Since pilots usually don't fly naked and in sauna environments (except in
southern California) we may have to examine other ideas. In  R&D business
the most ingenious ideas spring from some of the silliest suggestions.
Often by people who have no experience in the field and 'don't know what
don't work'.

Doug

In the case of Jon Sharp Nxt Lycoming is a major sponsor.

Paul Lamar
 
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