Subject: Excell
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 10/28/2005, 8:18 AM
To: AA-me


> Anybody up to speed on Excell
> > How do I subtract a couple of times formated
> as 3:33:53:454?
> > hours:minutes:seconds:hundreads of seconds
> > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Hi Paul,

I can't say for sure if Excell is the same, but in the OpenOffice
spreadsheet I can format the cell as HH:MM:SS.00  When I subtract one
cell from another, it just does it.  I notice you have 3 digits in the
last group.  Did you mean thousands of a second?

You might consider donwloading OpenOffice.  Version 2.0 is out.  I'm
just now trying it.  I have opened some fairly complicated spreadsheets
from Excell with OpenOffice 1.1 and 2.0 is supposed to have even
better comptatbility.  The price is righ, and it runs on Linux as well
as everything else.

I've attached the spreadsheet in Excell format.  You might load it up
and see how it responds in Excell.

Bob W.


Funny you should mention it. I am using Open Office :)
I thought I was the only person on here using it.
I figured they did things pretty much the same way as Excell.

Yes the time data is to the nearest 1/1000 of a second.

Here is the coast down data in zipped form.
The idea here is to subtract the the time increments.
Convert the MPH to feet per second 88/60 times MPH = FPS
Subtract the MPH increment.
Then calculate the instant decelleration (more or less)
in FPS per Second by dividing by the time increment.

Convert to G's by dividing by 32
Multiply the G's by 3300 pounds and that gives the drag
at that MPH number.

Plot the drag as a function of MPH.

There are two coast down data sets. One in each direction.

The zip file has the coast down data and some constant
speed data. I will get more constant speed data tonight
on my way home from the hangar.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

Wow, what a mess.  It would have been a little simpler if the time had
been in the HH:MM:SS.000 format instead of with the colon.

I imported the CVS file into the spreadsheet,  cut the MPH and time
column into a new sheet called Calculations, split the HH:MM:SS data
from the thousands, converted the SS to seconds in a real number, did
the calculations as you outlined, and plotted the results.  One
assumption I've made is that the actual time interval will never be
more than a couple of seconds.  I haven't tested this to see what
happens if you are making these runs thru midnight.

I have included an OO 1.0 and an OO 2.0 version of the spreadsheet
since I don't know which you have.  One other note, when I did the
graph, I got a message that said I had to sort the X data.  I declined
to do so because I thought that might mess up the calculations.  It
seems to have plotted anyway.  This is just XY points, but it looks
pretty neat.

I zipped the files, but they didn't compress much

Bob W.

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Great work Bob. Fast too. Thanks.
I think column H needs to be divided by 32 to convert to
G's deceleration. 4000 pounds of drag is a bit much.
More like 125 pounds of drag at 60 MPH --- 88 fps is 20 HP.

I am kind of disappointed in the scatter. Is that both runs
Bob? I think one way was slightly up hill and the other slightly
down hill.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


The time formatting we use is: 01:22:12:402. The last is thousandths of sec.
The only way you could have the same entry reporting twice is you are in
multi-response mode from the vehicle. Turn FastMode off. Send me a copy of
your log to see what you have.


Jay Horak

Will do Jay but not for a day or so.
We want to stay in the fast mode and we can work around same entry.

BTW Jay is the programmer that wrote the code used in the
OBD II data logging PC software.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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