Subject: Re: Cobra Aviation
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 12/11/2005, 12:11 PM
To: AA-me
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Hi
    Try this site,engine and redrive all new
                                       Regards Ray
  http://www.tomair.com.au/


These guys are in the early stage of development.
Mostly hype and little substance. Some ridicules claims
in the past. The web site is vague about a lot of things.

So far their engineering leaves a lot to be desired.
Attaching a two rotor to  Hirth gear box is doomed to failure.

I wish them well but I will keep my money firmly in my pocket
for awhile and see what happens.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Paul,
I wish them all the best, and I don't like to see Aviation endeavours fail,
especially if their Aussies, but I'm yet to see +ve outcomes.  The last I
heard they were having cooling problems - funny that!

BTW their using your favourite flat plate mount.
I wondered what gearbox they were using, I did ask someone and all they said
was they were off-set.
George ( down under)

I've attached some pictures of  the Cobra "Viper" engine and radiator
installation in the Cobra "Arrow" aircraft.  It looks like a spur gear
drive.  I could not find these pictures on their current web site.  I
don't remember where I acquired them.  The web site says this aircraft
crashed on landing;  there was no mention of dates.

Aubrey

Looks like a plastic or wood mockup to me. Perhaps the metal
looking parts have been scrounged from wherever.
Could be a stock manual tx bell housing painted black.
That is no SAE prop flange.

Like the dozen or so other PSRU's I have seen depends on what
the inside looks like.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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