Subject: direct drive alternator
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 2/4/2006, 8:46 PM
To: AA-me


     >>      If we plan on making a toothed wheel with inductive pickup
    part of
     >> the design then the flywheel style alternator will need to go
    onto the
     >> opposite end of the shaft. The magnetic field of the alternator
    will
     >> interfere with the timing pickup. It looks like Renesis has the
     >> toothed wheel behind the pulley.
     >>      The DIY wind power generators I have seen are very close
    and are
     >> called "axial flux"
     >>      The coils are turned were they look like a bunch of 'O's making
     >> petals to a flower.
     >>
     >>      The places for the axial flux alternator:
     >>         Prop flange
     >>              prop rpm
     >>              part of the split PSU and still in design phase
     >>              moment is large
     >>         between the planet cage and fly wheel
     >>              engine rpm
     >>              part of the split PSU and still in design phase
     >>              moment is large - ~16"
     >>         Pulley side
     >>              Move toothed wheel to flywheel - minimal moment change
     >>              Could be part of an accessory case design
     >>              moment
     >>
     >> --
     >> Blake C. Lewis
     >>
     >>
     >> What do you do about the eddy currents in the aluminum?  There
    is heat
     >> and resistance to power in this housing.  I ask because I have
    designed
     >> motors with aluminum housings.  A proff of this power is to place a
     >> plate of aluminum on a series of "toothpicks" for bearings or
    "wheels".
     >> Rapidly pass a neodymium magnet over it and the aluminum will
    move.  In
     >> a motor or generator that energy develops heat and drag.  Does this
     >> design address that?
     >>
     >> Rick Irwin
     >
     >
     > Rick,
     >    I haven't designed electric motors before. I am assuming that you
     > are referring to the moving magnets as opposed to a moving stator.
     >    A prop flange design would be a way to minimize this problem,
    being
     > that location has the least amount of stationary metal.
     >    I think that the RevMaster and the Harley radial designs both have
     > aluminum housings.
     >    How significant do you think that the heat and drag is in the
     > efficiency of the alternator over a conventional automotive
    design? Do
     > you think that the loss is more or less than that due to belt loading
     > and friction?
     >
     > --
     > Blake C. Lewis

    The magnetic flux will be contained in the iron cores of the coils.
    Eddy currents in the non-ferrous frame will not be an issue.  With this
    type alternator there may be some efficiency issues with the voltage
    regulator, however.  These alternators are usually paired with a shunt
    type regulator.  With this type regulator the alternator is producing
    near full output all the time.  With a 30 amp alternator that would be
    about 360 watts (about 1/2  horsepower net).  There may also be
    mechanical losses because we will probably need to incorporate a fan in
    the structure somewhere to cool the coils and the voltage regulator will
    need to be located in a cool air stream.  The Compu-Fire system that was
    mentioned last week is unique because the Compu-Fire regulator is a
    series-pass type which would save a little energy when the aircraft
    electrical load was low.

    Aubrey


I believe that modern regulators for pm alternators are all series
pass...   The one that is used on the BandC dynamo is
(http://www.bandspecialties.com).  I have this unit on my O-200 Varieze,
and it works great.  The regulator doesn't seem to get very hot (though
it's only producing 12A).

I think the newer motorcycle dynamos are 3phase..


Matt-


Matt,
That is a nifty little unit.  The B & C link above has apparently
changed.   I found the alternator here, however:
http://www.bandcspecialty.com

I noticed the capacitor and twisted-pair wiring in the wiring diagram.
This may be a switched mode regulator that is very efficient (and
capable of more than 12 amps).  We should keep it mind for possible use
with another PM alternator.

Aubrey



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