Subject: Simple? Turbocompound
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 3/14/2006, 11:04 AM
To: AAme




        Hello everyone, As I've been following this design process with
        bait on
        my breath,  I personally don't have the smarts to pull this
        off,  but
        I'm one of those fellows hoping it is better then anyone could
        imagine.
        I've had the same question that Fred did about not having the
        Compressor
        installed.  Normally aspirated with the TC unit.  I've not
        purchased my
        rotors yet and have been vacillating on the 89 high compression
        or the
        89 turbo type.  I don't have the turbo experience and
        subsequently am a
        little apprehensive about taking this on.  However I really like the
        prospect of milking extra horse power out of the exhaust stream.  So
        based on your comment "why bother".  Should I not worry about the
        possibility?  move forward with the 89' high compression
        rotors?  But I
        guess if I did add the TC unit and a Turbine the high
        compression rotors
        would not matter anyway.  So maybe I've just answered my own
        question.
        Go with the 89 high compression rotors and when available add the
        turbine and TC unit later.  Comments   T.W.

        Well if you go with the high compression rotors you could and
        should
        limit the boost to 5 psi or less at sea level.

        --
        Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


        WOW - I did not realize the 89 high compression rotors could run
        at 40"
        MAP - Do I understand that correctly ? So you could TC mildly to
        40"
        without big problems ?
        -dave

        --
        Best Regards /Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
            dave ( at ) arb.net <http://arb.net> http://arb.net

        It is pushing it Dave. You still need to make sure the
        air going into the engine intake is less than 140 F.

        BTW I lot of people make the mistake of not blowing air through
        the inter cooler when a turbo engine is on the dyno and consequently
        turbo engines are known for detonating on the dyno.

        Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


    How fast can we turn a water pump (and still have it be efficient)?

    How about just have the turbo drive the (engine cooling) water pump
    (maybe directly)?  We can be confident that the water pump needs to
    move the most water when the turbo is working the hardest.  A much
    better solution than an electrically powered water pump.  Arguably
    better than having an e-shaft driven water pump.

    Matt-


Replying to my own message...

And how about throwing one of these on it too?

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/09/tigers_exhaust_.html

Switched reluctance generator.  Hmm.


Matt-

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The TIGERS—Turbo-generator Integrated Gas Energy Recovery System—consortium (a Foresight vehicle project) diverts exhaust gases to drive a small switched reluctance generator to create enough electricity to power a car’s electrical system.

The small turbo-generator is installed in a by-pass waste pipe fitted just below the engine exhaust manifold. A valve linked to the engine’s management control system allows some of the high-energy exhaust gases to pass through a turbine to drive the generator, depending on engine load conditions.

Typically the 800ş C gases have a velocity of 60m/s and a mass flow rate of 0.05 kg/s, providing enough energy to spin the generator at up to 80,000 rpm and create electrical power of up to 6kW—sufficient to handle the car’s electrical systems.
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This is a piston engine with high exhaust valve dumping losses.
No mention of the core engine HP.

They are only extracting 6 Kw or 8 HP from the exhaust.
A 6 Kw alternator does not weigh all that much.

A smaller rotary with exhaust turbine driving an alternator with the rotary
e-shaft driving another alternator would make a fine electric hybrid vehicle.
Or you could feed the HP back into the e-shaft and have only one large
alternator.


Paul Lamar

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