Subject: Aluminium end housings
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 3/31/2006, 9:06 AM
To: AAme




        Hi Paul & all,

        "Subject: More comments from Paul Lamar
        As back ground info on the rotary. The bare engine block weighs
   about
        190 pounds with cast iron end housings. About 140 pounds with
   aluminum
        end housings."

        Anyone flying with these aluminum end housings? Any links to
   more info?
        (Please excuse my ignorance if these are well known or previously
        discussed items)

        Thanks,
        Hennie

        ---------------------------------------------------------

        Never a problem on previously discussed items.
        That is why we are here.

        Not that I know of now. Allan Tolle probably flew an Everett Hatch
        all aluminum engine ten years ago or so.

        They are rather expensive. At about $1200 to $1500 USD
        from Racing Beat. The rear and two rotor intermediate housings
        in this 3 rotor engine  picture are aluminum.

        There is some question about the wear surface process and
   durability.
        Racing Beat would not tell me what the wear surface process was
   so I
        doubt it
        was detonation gun coated. If I were building all aluminum end
   housings
        I would brag about using proven, expensive detonation gun coatings.
        IMHO the ONLY reliable  way of doing an all aluminum end
   housing IMHO.

        If the wear surface does not hold up on these Racing Beat aluminum
        end housing you could always have them detonation gun re coated
        with silicon carbide and diamond reground.

        Richard Sohn is also developing a two piece end housing with
        cast iron wear surface.  < unicorn@gdsys.net
   <mailto:unicorn@gdsys.net> <mailto:unicorn@gdsys.net
   <mailto:unicorn@gdsys.net>>>

        Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


        Paul,
        Have you heard anything good about the process called
   Electrochemical
        Metallizing?  I got this off the Swain web site
        (http://www.swaintech.com/weld.html).

        <snip>
        Electrochemical Metallizing
        Metallizing is often used to describe wire flame spr-
        aying. The flame spraying process, however, should not be
   confused with
        electro chemical metallizing, an out-of-tank plating process
   for adding
        a metal coating to a metal substrate.
        Electrochemical metallizing is a technological br-
        eakthrough, an improvement over a process originally termed "brush
        plating". Thin (0.0001 in. to 0.01 in.) metallic coatings are
        applied at
        low temperature. A dc power pack has two flexible leads. One
   goes to the
        workpiece and the other connects to one of a number of working
   tools or
        styli. Anodes of different sizes and shapes are connected to
   the end of
        the stylus and wr-
        apped with an absorbent material. The covered anodes are dipped
   into the
        plating solutions, or the solutions are pumped to the anodes
   when the
        areas to be coated are large.
        The positive lead from the dc power pack is  connected to the
   work tool
        and the negative lead is connected to the workpiece. An electrical
        circuit is completed when the wrapped tool and workpiece are
   brought
        close to one another, resulting in metal being deposited from
   the liquid
        solution onto the metal base.
        More than 100 primary metals and alloys can be deposited by
   this method,
        including nickel, copper, tungsten, cobalt, gold, silver, tin,
   zinc,
        Babbit, cad-
        mium, lead, and nickel-tungsten.
        Electrochemical metallizing applications include repairing damaged
        printed circuit boards, dented molds, scored or pitted
   hydraulic rams,
        damaged pr-
        inting press rolls, and dented or cracked extrusion dies, and
   resizing
        pins or gates. Electrochemical met-
        allizing is also used for military repairs, as it meets many
   military
        specifications for wear, corrosion, and resizing
        <snip>

        Years ago we used to use an oxy-acetylene torch setup to spray
   powdered
        metal onto construction equipment wear surfaces such as backhoe
   buckets.
        It was subjected to extraordinary conditions and survived.  I
   haven't
        done anything along those lines since then.  According to Swain
   Tech,
        the process has advanced considerably.  I was wondering if this
   could be
        an economical solution to the aluminum end housings?
        Mark Steitle

        One thou (.001) is not very thick.
        It might be but the big problem is different materials on aluminum.
        There is a temperature expansion difference to contend with.
        Detonation gun coating actually embeds the wear surface particles
        into the
        aluminum as they impact the aluminum at super sonic velocities.
        The particle size can be varied to optimize the results. In a
   way it is
        similar, (on a microscopic level) to the SIP process Mazda uses for
        rotor housings. There is a mechanical lock between the steel liner
        and the aluminum. It has been proven to work on aluminum end
   housings by
        Mazda and others. Why risk anything else unless you are General
   Motors,
        Ford, Mazda, Toyoto etc. etc. ? I don't know of anybody with the
        $$$$$ resources to
        test 500 engines for 500 hours each to see if something new works.

        Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


   I've been buying airplane parts again recently..   $1200-$1500 doesn't
   seem all that expensive to me when I am considering $6000 to TOH the
   O470 with ECI cylinders (with a good discount).  Even if I had to pay
   full price to Racing Beat, and then ship the parts off to someone else
   for the det-gun coating, it wouldn't be too bad.  How much does the
   det-gun finish cost?  $1000 per item?  I doubt it's that much.  That
   would give our power/weight numbers a really nice boost.  I might
   consider putting an all Aluminum P-port onto my Varieze.  It's fairly
   common for a Varieze to have an O-320 on it, though it causes it to
   glide like a manhole cover.


   Matt-

   The biggest problem Matt is you will wind up with a forward  CG
   problem :)

   --
   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


I'd be happy to have a forward CG problem..

Matt

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