Subject: Automotive Engineering magazine
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 5/16/2006, 8:16 AM
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The article only states the bottom end "receives a steel crankshaft" and
one may infer that the original was something else.  But journalists
write more for style than substance and often the inappropriate word is
used.

Bob Y

The vast majority of car piston engines now use cast iron crankshafts
and powdered metal rods. The turbo Mazda 4 cyl. Is the exception.
But this is not the engine they use in the formula Atlantic
car.

http://www.rotaryeng.net/books10.txt

* SAE Paper 690302. Designing Cast Components for V8 Engines. J.L.
Fitz et. al. Central Foundry Division of GM. Written before GM
clamped a lid on all real information published by their engineers
in the form of SAE papers. This paper is about the trials and
tribulations of making an engine work as designed by the stylist
and using chewing gum materials as specified by the bean counters.


* SAE paper 841221 Development of Powder-Forged Connecting Rods
by K. Imaahashi, C. Tsumuki, & I. Nagare.  Toyota Motor Corp.
The conversion of Kg/mm^2 to P.S.I is by multiplying Kg/mm^2 by 1.45.
The Toyota rods, according to this paper, are about as good as forged
SAE 10L55. Aircraft engine rods are made from forged 4340 which has
at least a 25% better fatigue life than forged SAE 10L55.


* Hotrod Magazine. GEN III. The first look at the all new GM
small-block V8 LS1. By Jeff Smith. Page 50, September 1996. Normally
auto magazines do not publish the material specifications for auto
engine parts. This article on the AL alloy block Chevy V8 LS1 engine
is an exception. Crank, rods and main bearing caps are specified as
either cast iron or powdered metal. Chevy actually went down on the
valve stem diameter to reduce the valve weight. This is not what is
needed for good heat rejection in high duty cycle engines.  Lots of
other engine details are included.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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