Subject: RX8 map
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 8/18/2006, 9:27 AM
To: AA-me


   Hi Paul,

   I had to scan paper and put it into Word to get this out without a
   lot of trouble. Numbers on the left are hex byte positions out of 7FFFF
   total. Map starts at 70D6C, two byte word, 29 68 hex converts to 10600,
   move decimal 4 positions left for A/F=1.06 at this position. The
   numbers from 70CFC through 70D2B are 12 RPM's (horizontal scale) in
   single precision floating point (990 RPM to 5500 RPM). Those from 70D2C
   through 70D6B are 16 volumetric efficiencies (.125 to .9375). As you
   can see, a large portion of the map is on or close to "27 10", which is
   1.00. There are other Target Oxygen Maps for special conditions but
   this is the main one.

   Jim

   Here you go!!!

   Best regards,

   Jim Langer
   Racing Beat, Inc.
   714-779-8677
   Fax 714-779-2902
   www.racingbeat.com

   Thanks Jim. Very interesting. Perry Mick runs the stock 2nd gen
   computer in his airplane and this could be very useful.
   Right now Perry is working on an variable gain amp to modify
   the mass air flow signal to lean his mixture. Here is a chance
   to achieve this leaning by modifying the mixture map directly.
   Perry, you will have to swap out your computer for an RX8 version
   with CAN or OBD II input output I think.

   BTW Perry uses his airplane to commute to work, weather permitting,
   and has 450 hours so far.

   Jim, Is this Techtom Mighty Map DOS or Ver-3 output?
   http://www.technosquareinc.com/mitelite.htm

   I'll have to fire up some of those old DOS computers
   I have lying around.

   I'll write a DOS program to convert this stuff
   to decimal to make it easier for a human to read
   and send you the program. Perhaps you can print the
   data to a file which was a common practice in the old
   DOS days as I recall. Also hitting Control P turns
   the printer on and prints everything that goes to the
   screen... also as I recall.

   Do I have it all?

   Is this a stock RX8 table or a modified table?


   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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   OK What we have here I think is a two dimensional map of
   mixture ratio verses volumetric efficiency.


   In this case volumetric efficiency is the same as manifold
   pressure. 29 inches of mercury is one. BTW It is interesting
   that the best the RX8 intake system can do is .9375 times
   29 is 27.2 inches of mercury. A P-port would be up to 1.2.

   Jim, what I would like you to try is a lean mixture only at RPMs above
   5000 RPM and volumetric efficiencies in the range of .5 to .8.
   This I think is where the stratified effect starts to take
   hold and the point where we are running the engine during cruise
   in aircraft.

   This is like driving down the road in fourth or fifth
   gear at less than 60 MPH. Something one might do if one
   were interested in immediate acceleration without down shifting.
   Or sometimes people just forget to shift as the engine is so smooth
   and quiet up to 6000 RPM.

   Admittedly this is not as good as being in sixth gear with
   a wider throttle opening at 3000 to 4000 RPM. Unfortunately
   the positive effect of lower RPM and less engine friction is not
   helping the high RPM stratified charge effect.

   We can do an OBD II fuel consumption test by recording the
   mass air flow and dividing by 14.7 to get the fuel flow
   at say a steady 60 MPH in fourth and fifth gear and then
   repeating the test after the map was leaned in this range.

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
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This is a stock 2004 RX8 main target oxygen map.

"OK What we have here I think is a two dimensional map of
mixture ratio verses volumetric efficiency."

No, it is RPM vs. Volumetric efficiency yielding A/F ratio.
Mazda defines Vol Eff (they call it "Load") as actual MAF divided
by theoretical 1.0 chamber filling MAF at that RPM.

"It is interesting that the best the RX8 intake system can do
is .9375 times 29 is 27.2 inches of mercury. A P-port would
be up to 1.2."

These target oxygen maps only go to 5500 and .9375 because
O2 feedback only occurs below this range.  It shuts off at higher
RPM/Load. The system commonly reports Load numbers of 1.05 to 1.10
at about 7500 RPM where it peaks.

"Is this a stock RX8 table or a modified table?"

       This is a stock 2004 RX8 main target oxygen map.
Jim

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Thanks for the corrections Jim. I'll OCR it today and work on the conversion
program. I took the liberty of rearranging  your comments to conform
with our message format. My comments are in quotes.

So I take it... O2 feed back modifies or "trims" these numbers?
Perhaps intake air temp also "trims" these numbers. Is that correct?

Unfortunately I have no real idea what exactly is going on here
because I don't have the program source code for the CPU. For example;
what happens after 5500 RPM? Unfortunately that is just the start
of the high RPM low load range that could benefit from leaner A/F ratios.
Unless we can obtain the program source code somehow it might
be easier to use a Megasquirt computer which the program source code
IS available for.

No doubt in my mind that leaning it out across the board
would not work.

You have certainly set out a difficult
task for yourself. If you could dump the entire program
in hex form and then disassembling it and comment it would be
a monumental effort. It may be written in "C" which makes
it double difficult to decipher or reverse engineer.

My son knows an EFI programmer that has worked for Ford in
the past. I'll try to contact him.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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