Subject: slide throttle/P-port exhaust problems
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 8/24/2006, 12:58 PM
To: AA-me


    >
    > I'm pursuing it - I finished boring rotor housings last weekend.
   Hopefully
    > I'll have tubes in and the slide throttle done by next week. If
   that all
    > goes well and the housings still look good - I'll order a
   complete rebuild
    > kit and put it all together the week after that.
    >
    > Since the 13B in my airplane is waiting for a re-built exhaust
   system to
    > replace the one that cracked off - I've got time on my hands and
   figured I
    > go ahead and take a shot a rebuilding this second 13B into a P-Port.
    >
    > Thanx,
    > Joe Hull
    > Cozy Mk-IV N31CZ (65 hrs - Rotary 13B NA)
    > Redmond (Seattle), Washington
    >
    >
    > Congratulations Joe. Since you are already flying and all
    > you need do is swap out the engine, I think you will be
    > the first true homebuilder to fly a p-port of your own build
    > since Everett Hatch. There are going to be a lot of
    > envious RV'ers your neck of the woods as you flash past
    > them in the sky.
    >
    > It was easy wasn't it? Hey, got any pictures of the boring
    > process? Here are a few picturs of Joes airplane for the
    > new guys.
    >
    > Where did the exhaust crack Joe?
    >
    > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

   Pictures - Nope! I was going to take pics but forgot the camera.  My
   friend
   has a huge Cleveland milling machine in his shop and tons of different
   cutters. So I started off with a 1/2" face cutter to flatten the
   area - i.e.
   the knob where the manifold stud sticks out. Then I bored progressively
   larger holes with three drills and then used what-cha-ma-call-its (big
   cutters with blades on the face and the sides) to cut 3 stepped
   holes 2 1/8,
   2 3/16, and 2 7/32. I wanted a notch in the inner face and another
   in the
   outer face to seat the tubes and provide another barrier to water
   leaks -
   the 2 1/8 hole goes all the way through. The tube I'm using is 2" OD
   x 1/4"
   wall.

   Next I'll turn the tube to match the steps and also a little lip on the
   outside edge to help capture the rubber tube that will join the
   manifold to
   the P-Ports.

   Exhaust - I was on my way to OSH and about an hour east of Cheyenne,
   Wyoming, over Nebraska when I felt a slight change in the vibration
   of the
   airplane.  All the temps, pressures and RPM were fine - just a
   slight change
   in the vibration. So I figured I better get on the ground and see
   what was
   up. I landed at a little ranching town (population 267) with a
   4000ft runway
   (since I need lots of runway to land) and after landing and running
   up the
   engine - the engine quit DEAD.  The paint on the cowling started to
   bubble
   and burn - not good.  I pulled the cowling and found that the big
   tube of
   the tangential muffler had broken off both of the 2" runners that
   come off
   the exhaust flange.  The hot exhaust had melted the wires together
   to the
   injectors and other wires in that area - that's why the engine quit.

   Fortunately this little town had a great welder - and even on Sunday
   afternoon he welded it back together. I pealed the injector and
   other wires
   apart and wrapped them all up in electrical tape and silicone rubber
   tape
   and took off for home the next morning.

   I'm abandoning the tangential muffler and inconel - too prone to cracks
   (this is my second) and am going with .049" 321 stainless tubes. The
   noise
   will be higher but so will HP (I'll also have way less back
   pressure) - and
   hopefully more reliability too!

   Joe Hull
   Cozy Mk-IV N31CZ (65 hrs - Rotary 13B NA)
   Redmond (Seattle), Washington

   Thanks for the report Joe.
   That is interesting. Who welded up the failed rig?
   This is the second pusher rotary engine muffler failure
   we have heard of. Many people make the mistake of welding
   the tubes to the exhaust flange on the outside of the flange rather
   than the inside of the flange. There is vibration causing
   fatigue due to the mass of the large muffler cantilevered off
   the tubes. The weight of the muffler can must be supported by a strap
   to the engine and not just by the tubes.

   This was discussed on Mark Wrathal's best practices web site which
   is linked to the ACRE NL site. Everybody building an airplane please
   read this site. http://www.wankel.org/

   Also check out http://www.rotaryeng.net/interesting.html

   Too bad I did not know about it sooner Joe. Sorry.

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

The exhaust system needs balljoints or slip fittings or flex couplings
or something.  The distance from port to port likely increases at a
different rate than the change in the length of the muffler.  This
causes the exhaust to get, possibly severe, bending loads every time the
system changes temperature.  That will probably cause temp accelerated
fatigue failure.

Plus the muffler needs support other than by the exaust stacks.  I feel
that because the stacks carry hot gas, and are operated at relatively
extreme temps, the system design shouldn't put bending loads on them.
The engine vibrates (even rotaries)..

Even with plain seperate stacks, it's probably still a good idea to have
some kind of flexible joint close to the engine.  Then, alternate
mechanical support should be provided at a point near the center of
moment of inertia (I think)..

Don't the cast iron manifolds usually crack at the attachpoints, even
though they are so short?  I think this might be why..

What think you?


Regards,

Matt-


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