> > Heard a rumor on Denver TV of a complete Renesis recall for all
> > RX8's
> > ('04-06) but can't find any web confirmation.  Anyone hear that?
> > > > Todd Archer
> > > > I have not received anything.
> > > > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
> > Ops it's a new one. Excessive oil consumption leads to
> plugged up catalyst. That is all I know for sure right
> at the moment.
> > > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
> > More info from the web.
> > -------------------
> Rotary News;
> The voluntary recall of all 2004 and 2005 vehicles, and some 2006s, is
> expected to be announced this week or next. It involves damage to the
> catalyst resulting from oil leaks in the RX-8's rotary engine.
> > Any engine that does not pass a vacuum test must be replaced, said Robert
> Davis, head of product development and quality at Mazda North American
> Operations.
> > Engines prone to failing the test are mostly in hot climates and use
> synthetic oils.
> -----------------------------------------------------
> > I don't know who Joe Ancona is that wrote the following and why
> he apparently knows so much about it. PL
> > --------------------------------------------
> They don't mean oil 'leaking' out of the engine onto the ground, they
> mean
> oil blow by where by it, or rich fuel mixtures (also another issue) get
into
> the catalytic converter and mess it up. Because of a bunch of EPA regs
that
> had to be met before it's release in the USA, there were various
> modifications to make the mixture richer, and less oil to be pumped in by
> the MOP at low idle speeds... both were unfounded, and bad ideas turns
> out... Hot climates with cars sitting at low RPMS see less oil, and of
> course heat is the enemy. Plus, with mileage conscious 5W20 spec'd in,
> cooling is even worse. Additionally, a richened fuel mixture did not
> apparently cool cats down, so both of these items are being attended to
> by
> Mazda.... it's sounding like if your engine is still healthy after vacuum
> testing, you get the EEPROM fix to change the oil and fuel curve and you
are
> done. If it fails vacuum, you get a new or remanufactured engine with the
> new EEPROM fix all ready to go. The car will be better than before - so
> chill out, don't loose hope, and keep enjoying your RX-8.
> > Posted by: joe ancona | Aug 25, 2006 10:38:32 PM
> -----------------------------------------------------
> "Because of a bunch of EPA regs that
> had to be met before it's release in the USA, there were various
> modifications to make the mixture richer,"
> > That fact really pissed me off. If you start up the RX8 from
> cool (55 F) and let it warm up by idling  or slowly driving
> it around town  before getting on the freeway it really
> sucks down the fuel. You can mitigate this by getting on
> the freeway as soon as possible. My Honda Odyssey and Robin's
> PT Cruiser are also afflicted by this. The draconian wackos will
> sacrifice anything for a .000001 percent reduction in smog
> including billions of gallons of additional fuel burned world
> wide. Soon it will be illegal to fart.
> > Reading between the lines I think the vacuum test referred to
> above is done at top dead center with a special fitting for
> the spark plug hole. IMHO this checks the O-rings around
> the oil scrapers. Mazda uses some sort of O rings in those scrapers
> but I have no way of knowing what material they are made of.
> > I can tell you this. They are not as temperature resistant
> as they could be as we boiled some in oil. I drove my 1976 13B Cosmo
> for years with burned out oil O-rings and the smoke upon start up
> obscured the sun.
> > The best O-rings for this job are Creavey Teflon encapsulated
> silicon O-rings good to 500F. Teflon is inert to all known
> chemicals and silicone is good to 500 F.  I am always harping
> on these. Chuck Dunlap flew them for a couple of years with
> no problems.
> > http://www.creavey.com/
> > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Hi all. Look on the bright side.  Maybe they will let you buy the ones
that fail the test and you can buy them for a song and reseal with the good
stuff and put them in your plane and never look back.

ha ha wyo. walt.

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Unfortunately they intend to rebuild them instead of selling them.
If they did sell them they would be an excellent buy as
the only thing wrong would be a slightly leaking oil O-ring
or two.

I forgot to add the clue about hot climates. No doubt
the oil is overheating.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

More mis info.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/08/24/mazda-to-recall-the-rx-8/

"Mazda claims that the problem is brought on by hot climates or
the usage of synthetic oil. If the oil is allowed into the
combustion chamber, it eventually reaches the catalytic
converter and causes a malfunction of that emissions-control device.

[Source: Rotary News]"

What do they mean "if"??  The RX8 engine sucks oil out of the
oil pan and injects it into the combustion chamber
of course the oil reaches the combustion chamber.

Don't let the dealer tell you they will not fix your engine
because you used synthetic oil. When I bought my RX8 I specifically
asked the dealer and the Mazda Japan PR person if they objected
to synthetic oil. They said no but they had not tested it.
The very large Japanese oil company Idemitsu manufactures and sells
synthetic Rotary Engine oil that is specifically formulated
for rotary engines.


Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.