> ...snip
>
>
> Why don't you and Perry start a newsletter like this one
> and let anybody join? Those automated ones are a pain in
> the but. Add my email address. I am still interested but
> I don't want to devote space to it here.
>
> I would really like to see hard design info on high power
> high speed ducted fans. No question low speed ducted fans
> work.
>
> This is a channel hover craft I took to France
> quite a few years ago. More fun than an E-ride at Disney
> land. Note no ducted fans :)
>
> Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
>
> Paul,
>
> Yahoo is free, plus it's easy, plus it's a pretty efficient
format.
> Everyone can participate without going through the
moderator with
every
> message. Also you can just go to the website and read all the
threads
> and messages and post messages yourself -- rather than getting
messages
> by email and replying by email.
>
> This is much more efficient. You go to the website and read
only the
> threads that interest you instead of getting everything in
your
inbox.
> Also the group website has a section for files, pictures and
links that
> anyone can put up, so you have all kinds of info in one place,
besides
> the messages.
>
> I did set up the group so that anyone can participate. You
may still
> need to register with Yahoo and get a Yahoo password,
though. I
have no
> control over that part of it. I guess Yahoo just wants to
be able to
> show its advertisers how many eyeballs they're getting. A
lot of
> websites do this, including AVweb, most newspaper websites
etc.
That's
> just the way it is in an advertiser-supported medium. (I've
ranted about
> the evils of advertiser-dominated media before, so I'll spare
everyone...)
>
> Come on over, I'm sure we'll have a lively discussion
soon. I'm
going to
> try to put up some very good info on high-speed ducted
fans. There's
> lots of good technical literature out there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gordon.
> Count me out.
>
> Paul Lamar
Once the spammers find the site, it'll REALLY have some "lively
discussions!!"
Gary Buster
Something like.... every A...le has an opinion ? :)
--
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
I think the lists have use a vetting process to determine who gets to
participate. I have even heard of humans applying to aviation related
lists, exchanging emails with the list owner, and then turning the
address over to a spam-bot. Without moderating, these things can be
a mess.
Matt-
Matt,
There is a moderator, me.
I will quickly delete any spammers or uncivil participants. It's true
that these Yahoo groups can be pretty farcical for lack of an active
moderator. This will not happen here.
If I see that spammers are starting to take advantage I will vet every
new member application. For the time being I will keep it as open as
possible.
Not all Yahoo groups are full of yahoos. I've been a member of the
Jodel
Club for some time and it has been great. Lots of collegiality and many
friendships made, both online and offline.
Regards,
Gordon.
"There is a moderator, me." I highly recommend it.
If your going to do that Gordon you might as well
forget Yahoo. I highly recommend that too.
If that is indeed the case on both counts... count me in :)
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
Hi Gordon,
I am a member of a couple of Yahoo groups as well, and agree that they
can work pretty nicely. However, the groups I am in which started out
unmoderated have all become moderated, and the moderator approves each
member joining and once in a while kicks somebody out. No big deal.
The other thing about Yahoo is flakiness. It seems like the group
settings for email protocol occasionally get's wacked out, and the
moderator doesn't have direct control over it. Again, not a big deal.
Just something else to live with.
Anyway, I am happy that Paul doesn't want to move his group. If
EVERYONE did yahoo, yahoo would have a monopoly, and that's rarely good
for the consumer.. An alternative I like is matronics. Totally
private, and no advertising. Aeroelectric-connection uses it. Like I
said, I am happy with this setup however.
Matt-
Matt,
I'm not suggesting to Paul that he move his group to Yahoo. This way
works good for Paul and everyone in the group. I'm simply inviting him
to join the ductedfanaricraft group and take part in the discussion.
I've seen a couple of the Matronics groups but I'm not a member of any
of them. I will give it a look. I would consider going the route that
Paul is suggesting too, but I have no clue how that works or how I would
set it up. It seems like a lot of work.
Regards,
Gordon.
No problem Gordon. I can help. It is easy. My objection to yahoo
is; they are using talented people that have a following to compile a huge
data base of demographics, email addresses and participant's interest.
You the moderator get nothing out of it but they make millions selling
this info. Also the more people that access yahoo the more
money they make from their advertisers. The advertisers pay a
small fee for each access.
I quit watching TV with out a TVIO as the advertising was too
much of a waste of my time. With a TVIO you can jump over adds.
It has nothing to do with preventing spam. yahoo are lying.
If there is one thing I can't stand is lying.
The other problem is formating. It is hard to read a series of messages
which each person chooses his own format and signature file.
Many people also use Internet groups to advertise their products.
I don't object to that in moderation particularly if it is related
to the subject such as what Bob White and Jerry Hey do.
Jerry, bless his soul does not use a signature file to advertise but
I have been after him to do so because it is a service needed
by our readers. Besides, new people are always asking me where
they can get motor mounts made. That takes up some of my time.
Other than the few people that are providing needed services
I suppress contributors email address to prevent spamers from
collecting email addresses on here.
The other thing you will run into is professional shills that
get paid by people that would otherwise rip you off in some way.
The shills job is to counter negative publicity about their clients.
Moller is an example. I can usually spot them from a few secret
clues. It is an old carnival profession.
Starting before Genie I have been on BBS's and the Internet
for over 15 years.
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
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