Subject: turbo
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 11/14/2006, 5:35 PM
To: AA-me


     >
     >> You will not necessarily get more boost with a larger compressor.
     >> What it does is load the turbine down so it does not spin
     >> as fast. The high speed spin is the main reason they fail.
     >> Temperature has a lot to do with it as well but in our
     >> case it is mostly spin IMHO.
     >>
     >> By all means cutting the turbine blades
     >> sounds like a workable plan. Let us know how it goes.
     >> Would be nice if you added a turbine tachometer
     >> so we could get a better handle on the problem.
     >>
     >> Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
     >
     >
     > Paul,
     >
     > I have a fuel injected, single turbo 13b sitting in my hanger
    (`86-`89
     > model with intercooler). I have heard from several sources that
    the stock
     > turbo is not the best to use in aircraft application because of
    blade
     > disintegration, over speeding, etc.
     >
     > What turbo should I use? Exact name and part number, please, so I
    can go
     > to the turbo shop and ask for it by name. I do not know yet into what
     > plane the motor will go into, but a 2.17:1 reduction will be used.
     > Probably Tracy`s with his ignition and engine controller.
     >
     > Thank you and regards,
     >
     > Erik Snyman
     > Messina
     > South Africa.
     >
     > I don't know. We have not had enough guys run other than stock
     > turbo's to really know what lives. We do know the stock turbo
     > will live if a larger compressor is fitted. Tom Parkes has run
     > an old aircraft turbo on a 3 rotor for awhile and that seems to
     > work. Unfortunately it is out of production as I recall.
     >
     > Tracy's EFI will still have to be individually tuned for your
     > specific airplane and engine. Also I would suggest an intake
     > manifold air temperature alarm or sensor that detected intake
     > manifold temperatures  over 140 F. It would be ideal if
     > it richened the mixture or retarded the ignition slightly
     > in that case to avoid detonation.
     >
     > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

    Paul,
    I still feel (especially in stock turbo use), the bypass idea is the
    best
    way to reduce heat and overspinning of the turbo. My new Suzuki
    motorcycle
    has a butterfly valve to vary back pressure ( at different RPM's) for
    exhaust tuning - the same principle can be used for the bypass to
    the turbo.
    Claiming original idea and patent rights.
    George (down under)

    The stock 2nd gen  turbo already has a waste gate bypass valve.
    Nobody (other than a car racer wall grind jpgs), to my
    knowledge, has effectively ported it to increase
    its effectiveness so far. In theory it should work.
    As I recall Dave Leonard removed the flapper entirely
    but that did not seem to work well enough. Apparently the
    hole must be greatly enlarged. The flapper is also
    restricted from opening 90 degrees by the back cover without
    modification. Some of those mods are shown here

    Are you advocating adding a restrictor after the turbine?
    If so that in effect is what happens with the stock exhaust
    system in the 2nd gen RX7s. As soon as you remove the stock
    exhaust system the boost jumps up several psi.

    Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.




Paul,
Yes, I did remove the flapper entirely, and that worked very well.
Perhaps even too well, as max MAP was somewhere in the high 40's at SL.
That was perfect when I was cooling limited, but after my cooling is
improved, that might not be enough boost for me at altitude.  I may have
to re-install the flapper.

-- 
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
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The high 40's!!! 16 psi of boost.

Wow Dave, a lot of racers would love that!!
You must have around 300 HP.
What is your climb rate? There sure is a bunch of HP in that
turbo charger turbine.

You need a turbo tach on that thing.
Consider Keyence. http://world.keyence.com/

Paul Lamar

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