Subject: Impulse Turbine
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 11/21/2006, 7:07 PM
To: AA-me




    Paul,

    After looking into it a bit more I have to conclude that the impulse
    turbine running at engine speed is not workable. It would have to be
    close to three feet in diameter to get good efficiency.

    The reason is that the impulse turbine works best at a certain ratio of
    exhaust jet speed to wheel speed (about 0.5 or a little below). And
    since the exhaust jet is moving pretty fast due to being accelerated by
    the nozzles in front of the turbine, the wheel speed has to be fast too
    -- just below the speed of sound.

    The 11-inch turbine in NACA 786 was spinning at about 20,000 rpm or
    about 960 feet per second. The speed of the exhaust jet across the
    turbine blades at peak efficiency was 2.5 times that, or 2400 fps.

    It should be noted that this is the mean jet velocity, which I assume is
    the mean of the velocity of the mass flow and the sonic wave. In the
    exhaust manifold, mass flow only moves at about 200 to 400 fps, but the
    sonic wave moves at 1500 to 1800 fps. This is actually much higher than
    the sea level speed of sound in the atmosphere, but the reason for the
    high speed of the sound wave is that it's carried along by the
    fast-moving mass-flow. Also the very high temperature increases the
    speed of sound.

    The attached graph shows how turbine efficiency varies with the ratio of
    mean exhaust jet speed to turbine wheel speed. We see that a wheel speed
    of less than 0.4 in relation to the speed of the exhaust jet causes
    efficiency to fall off.

    The exhaust jet in the manifold probably starts out at a mean speed of
    about 1000 fps or a little bit less. (let's say 1700 fps for the sound
    wave plus 300 fps for the mass flow, divided by 2). But the nozzle jets
    accelerate the flow by a factor of about 2.4, to a jet mean velocity of
    about 2,400 fps.

    This is how an impulse turbine works -- it has a constant pressure
    across the turbine wheel, but the nozzles just before the buckets
    accelerate the flow, turning pressure head into velocity head. You can
    see this pressure versus velocity relationship in the graphic comparing
    the impulse turbine to the reaction turbine. The pressure drops as the
    velocity increases -- this is in the nozzle, not the turbine wheel.

    So if we speed up our mean jet velocity to 2,400 fps, our wheel speed
    must be about 40 percent of that for good efficiency, or about 960 fps.
    An engine speed of 6,000 rpm equals 100 revolutions per second, so our
    wheel circumference must be about 9.6 feet -- about 3 ft.diameter That's
    obviously not workable, except maybe for a large radial engine.

    Yet another problem with the impulse turbine is that it seems to get
    less efficient at altitude as ambient pressure drops. We can see this in
    the chart. The reason appears to be the pressure ratio between the inlet
    and outlet of the turbine. At high pressure ratios (above 7), the
    turbine is less efficient.

    This is exactly opposite to what we want. I believe a reaction turbine
    should go in the opposite direction, that is become more efficient at
    higher pressure ratios, because it works by pressure drop across the
    turbine blades. (I could be wrong in my understanding of that).

    A third possibility is an axial-flow reaction turbine which would
    probably be the most efficient of all, but this is not a common item.

    http://www.barber-nichols.com/products/turbines/axial_reaction_turbines/default.asp

    You would still need a high wheel speed, even higher than an impulse
    turbine (a ratio of 0.7, compared to 0.4), so you would still need a
    reduction drive.

    So I think the radial-flow reaction turbine (as used on turbochargers)
    with a reduction drive is the only workable solution for
    turbocompounding the rotary right now.

    However, in looking into this I have come across some very interesting
    information on producing thrust with the exhaust jet. I will be posting
    more on this later, but just a teaser: Would you believe a
    maximum increase of 27 percent thrust horsepower? (See attached chart)

    This is just by adding the right sze nozzles to the tailpipe and
    orienting it straight back. This is incredible and could be key to
    making my idea a high-speed rotary-fan engine airplane as efficient as a
    prop.


    Regards,

    Gordon.



    Well that is what Mark Wrathal said :)

    You could always gear it down 3:1 with a planetary.
    Would 18,000 RPM work?

    Since exhaust thrust is constant it takes a fast airplane to
    get significant HP out of it. The exhaust stacks on the P51
    were credited with a couple of hundred HP at 400 MPH however top speed
    is proportional to the cube root of HP. The cube root of
    1400 HP is 11.18 while the cube root of 1600 HP is 11.69
    so top speed went up from 400 MPH to 418 MPH or 4.5 %.

    Things are not so great down around 250 MPH.

    --
    Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


    Good idea, Paul.

    A 3 to 1 gear reduction would be a pice of cake at those modest
    turbine speeds -- up to 20,000 rpm. A lot easier than making a
    geargbox that can handle 100,000 rpm.

    Hmm, maybe I was too quick to dismiss the impulse wheel. Not sure
    where you could find such a light-duty gear set, but maybe the final
    drive of a scooter? Here's one that is a simple spur gear with two
    step downs. You would probably only need one to get 3:1 ratio. Then
    simply connect it to the e-shaft with a belt and pulleys, which will
    easily go to 10,000 rpm.

    The whole thing could be done very simply. Of course, you still have
    to cobble together a turbine...


    Regards,

    Gordon.

Jatco in Japan makes a scaled down version of the Ford C6.

Paul Lamar



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