Subject: 2-gear reduction?
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 12/12/2006, 6:28 PM
To: AARotary Engine


        Richard,

        Which Hirth box are you using on the one-rotor?

        As far as Rotax boxes go, I believe the A through C boxes are
        basically the same except for rmounting flange -- and the C box
   has
        a starter. But I think structurally they are the same.

        You can pick up a fairly good A box for maybe $200.

        The Rotax box seems to work well on 100 hp Subarus and Suzukis, but
        these are four-cylinder engines with more power pulses per rev. I
        would be more worried about a one-rotor, because of the single
   power
        pulse per engine shaft revolution -- like a 2-cylinder piston
   engine.

        I think belt is a good cheap solution for a one-rotor. If you are
        handly, you might even whip one up yourself...


        Regards,

        Gordon.

        Donald, a small correction: the A and B boxes are similar, the
   B having
        more mounting points than the A. The C and E are similar, the E
   having
        the starter. The A and B boxes can only handle half the prop
   inertia of
        the C and E.

        (FWIW)

        Paul, on all the other engine forums I belong to the view is that
        TORQUE is what an engine is looking for, that HP. sells the
   engine, but
        torque turns the prop. Yet you say that the plane flies on
   horsepower,
        and that the rotary has very little torque. Agreed, the
   equation says
        that hp. is a direct function of torque and rpm, but surely the
   torque
        is what powers the props to speak, and that torque determines
   the amount
        of pitch one can run on the prop? ( I am excluding applied
        torque associated with reduction ).

        Please explain, or correct me if I have the whole idea wrong.

        Regards,
        --
        Erik Snyman
        Messina
        South Africa.


        Here is a little article on the subject by my late great rocket
        scientist friend Vance Jaqua. PL

        TORQUE "LET'S TORQUE ABOUT HORSEPOWER"

        It seems that wherever you go, people seem overly obsessed by
        torque. "Yeah
        that engine may have a lot of horsepower, but it really takes
   torque
        to turn
        that prop", just as if we were talking about two unrelated
        characteristics
        of the engine. Yes! It does take torque to turn that prop, but
        torque alone


   Big snip............

        resonance rpm ranges. Super charging, and high energy fuel and
   oxidizer
        additions increase power all over the range, with real
   potential for
        total
        "meltdown".

        CONCLUSION

        It pretty much boils down to the fact that that it is not
   enough to
        "torque
        the torque" you have to work the work!

        Vance Jaqua

   Erik, here is a little quiz you can ask people that have
   a problem understanding engine torque and HP.

   I have two engines. One is a 200 HP V6 at 4500 RPM.
   The other is a 200 HP rotary at 7000 RPM.
   The V6 has a 1.66:1 PSRU.
   1)What is the torque at the prop?
   2)What is the torque of the engine at 4500 RPM?

   The rotary has a 2.59:1 PSRU.
   3)What is the torque at the prop?
   4)What is the torque of the engine at 7000 RPM?

   Extremely well explained. Thank you.

   --
   Erik Snyman
   Messina
   South Africa.

   ---------------------------------------
   Erik, here is a little quiz you can ask people that have
   a problem understanding engine torque and HP on the groups.

   I have two engines. One is a 200 HP V6 at 4500 RPM.
   The other is a 200 HP rotary at 7000 RPM.

   The V6 has a 1.66:1 PSRU.

   1)What is the torque of the engine at 4500 RPM?
   2)What is the torque at the prop?

   The rotary has a 2.59:1 PSRU.
   3)What is the torque of the engine at 7000 RPM?
   4)What is the torque at the prop?

   A question for the advanced students only. Both props are 80%
   efficient.

   5) What is the V6 engine thrust at 150 MPH?
   6) What is the rotary engine thrust at 150 MPH?

   If one answers 1 through 4 correctly one gets a B.
   If one answers 5 and 6 correctly one gets an A :).

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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We have already have some answers on the quiz but I will
not publish them for while so every body will have a chance.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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