Subject: 13b powered dragonfly
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 1/8/2007, 4:12 PM
To: AARotary Engine




   If Mazda comes out with the 16B. you could make a one rotor that
   could get
   150 hp N/A using 16B parts. Yes/no?
   Clifton

   I would say yes if it was a p-port.

   BTW I was thinking we might get a group buy from Hurley Engineering
   on cut
   down 13B e-shafts and counter weights.
   Lets say the cost is $300 for those parts. Then you could build an all
   aluminum (roughly 200 pound) one rotor p-port for about $8500 with Tracy
   PSRU. 3,000 for the end housings, 1,000 for new p-port rotor
   housing, 3,000
   for the PSRU and a 1,000 for miscellaneous stuff.

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

   ---------------------------

   The biggest problem that I have with a good water cooled automotive
   engine
   in the 100 HP range is paying that $3000 for a PSRU, not to mention
   that
   they usually weigh 40+ pounds.  The 40 pound PSRU accounts for about
   20% of
   the target FWF engine weight and (potentially) 50% of the cost.  The
   heavy
   duty PSRU is needed for the 200 HP engines, but way overkill for 100 HP
   engines.  If a PSRU could be designed and built for say $1000 that would
   weigh 20 pounds or less I would say this would be significant.  All
   of the
   weight savings that I have seen mentioned costs more money....how about
   lighter and cheaper!!!

   Any thoughts on a low cost light weight PSRU that will work with a
   single
   rotor engine?

   Jeff

   The only way your going to get it down to that is if you make it
   yourself.
   However you might want to take a look at a VW bus axle reduction unit.

   Paul Lamar

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   Paul,

   I know it is for VW, but Valley Engineering builds a very nice belt PSRU
   that only weighs 8 pounds and costs $1495 (and includes free
   shipping in the
   US) http://www.culverprops.com/valleyintro.htm  I have no idea if a
   similar
   PSRU could be made for a single rotor rotary, but 8 pounds and $1500
   is MUCH
   better than 43 pounds and $2500 (for a RD-1A).  I do not mind building
   something on my own.  I have an excellent tech school machine shop
   that has
   made stuff for me in the past, the problem is that I am not an
   engineer and
   designing a part like this is almost certainly beyond my capabilities.

   I am not familiar with the VW bus axel reduction unit, can you point me
   towards where I might find some information on that?

   Jeff

   Not a good design. Cantilever everything. Puts a side load
   on the rear main that it is not designed to accept.
   I am not talking about pre load tension. Has nothing
   to do with pre load. Anytime you are transmitting HP
   with a belt or chain there is a side load. Best to
   stradle mount everything like this Ken Welter belt drive.

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.



Cantilevered shafts can be handled with proper design, no?  Not
suggesting that this does it though..

Does Mr. Welter's drive support the end of the shaft with cone (tapered)
bearing?  I would think that would be the only way to preload the
bearing in such a way to actually provide support to the shaft..


Regards,

Matt-



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