This probably belongs on the Art Bell late nite radio show but is very
interesting nevertheless.
This is fueling ICE engines with actual water. This is NOT electrolysing
water into hydrogen and oxygen prior to to combustion (very expensive),
rather utilizing a little known "exploding water"
technique based on a high capacitance discharge in water vapor. It is
essentially the same
reaction that occurs in a thunderstorm with lightning and thunder.
A mechanic claims to be running his 1978 Chev El Camino with 350 Ci
engine
that is running
on only water, getting over 300 mpg and has put over 30,000 miles on the
car
to prove it.
A straight carburetor is used with larger jets. Also, spark voltage has
been increased from
14,000 to 30,000 volts and timing fires about 20-30 deg after TDC.
It occurs to me the rotary could be a very suitable testbed for this
technique as one of
the problems has been rusting valve stems and poor oiling of valve
guides.
Another problem
is short spark plug life.
One of the peculiar features of this setup is the routing of the
exhaust
pipe right into the
fuel (water) tank!
There is a VERY active Yahoo groups list at WATERCAR@Yahoogroups.com
<mailto:WATERCAR%40Yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:WATERCAR%40Yahoogroups.com
<mailto:WATERCAR%2540Yahoogroups.com>>.
Five or six
listers claim to have engines running. A free 59 page primer can be found
here:
http://www.web-space.tv/free-energy/D13.pdf
There will be an advertising page come up in German, just scroll down
to
the bottom and
hit the highlighted link to get to the articles page. It is down the page
a
ways under
Devices 9. There is nothing for sale, just interested experimenters. A
technical discussion
on the current state of the technology starts on page 41. Time to sell
that
Exxon-Mobil
stock!
Glenn
This I got to see :) Perhaps he is converting water into
steam with a HIGH energy spark. (Read a LOT of power.)
http://www.answers.com/topic/steam-engine
"When water is converted into steam it expands, its volume
increasing about 1,600 times[!!!!!!]. The force produced by the
conversion is the basis of all steam engines."
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
PT Barnum WAS RIGHT!
Bill Jepson
Hidden in the trunk is an arc welding machine :)
Paul Lamar
Pay no attention to the hamsters running on the wheel behind the engine!
Or perhaps the fact that they are providing 50 amps to the motor that
looks like an alternator.
"Cry Bullshit, and release the hounds of engineering!"
Bill Jepson
Why mess with a piston engine? Go directly to a steam turbine.
Create an arc, feed in water, feed the steam to a steam turbine,
generate the juice to sustain the arc. See if you are getting
more energy out than you are putting in. I doubt it.
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
For anyone that doesn't believe that water cannot explode with
a high voltage discharge, this science article on how to build an
electronically fired watergun will prove otherwise:
http://www.amasci.com/amateur/capexpt.html
DISCLAIMER: the experiments described below are fantastically dangerous
The "exploding water" effect can launch electrode fragments at high
velocities. The "watergun" is a full-fledged cannon, and must be treated
as
such. Sounds like a fun project to do with the kids!
Glenn Crowder
Not an explosion in the true sense of the word. If you heat
a small amount of water with enough electrical energy it will
instantly turn to steam and expand 1,600 times which might seem
like an explosion but it is not really.
Perhaps I missed it but I did not see where they measured the
electrical energy put in. Voltage alone does not tell the whole
story. Power is what is important and power is voltage times
current.
The subject of this thread is running a car on water. If it
takes more power to heat the water to steam than you get back
by extracting the mechanical power from the steam then it is a
futile exercise.
This is NOT a subject for the rotary engine newsletter.
Hi Paul! There are extensive discussions on the power required
in the primer. Best estimates are about 750 watts or about one
hp to fire the ignition system. Calculations on page 32.
Glenn Crowder
Well then how much power are they getting out?
It is possible I guess that some of the water is being converted
to hydrogen and oxygen that subsequently recombines (burns).
Remember it requires more power to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen
then you get back by burning the hydrogen. It only makes sense
to burn hydrogen if you have a nuclear power plant to generate
the electricity required in the first place.
Paul Lamar
My interest in this thread is not promoting or defending the technology,
but actually using a rotary engine as a testbed. My thought was to use an
older
12A with carburetor and distributors to allow retarding the spark and
adustable jetting.
Or use an Ellison TBI with adjustable mixture.
With dual plugs and no valves, the rotary could possibly be a superior
platform. I'm not sure about rotor tip and side seal life. Could oil be
injected
or would it be steam cleaned immediately?
I'm currently flying a highly modified Subaru EA81 powered Europa very
sucessfully and for a new challenge, would like to be the first water
powered aviator!
Glenn
I think your expectations are too high. If I were doing it
I would build a small test rig and I would find out first if I
were getting as much or more power out as I was putting in.
A small turbo charger would be a good place to start. Install
a spark plug and a EFI fuel injector in the turbine scroll
housing. Block off the exhaust input pipe. Inject a bit of
water and zap it with the high energy spark at a high repetition
rate. Measure the air flow, RPM and pressure out of the
compressor section.
Paul Lamar
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