Subject: Correct cooling system
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 3/29/2007, 4:31 PM
To: AARotary Engine


                     Here are the essentials.

                     --
                     Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


                 Paul,
                 How would you purge air out of the system in this
            arrangement?  I know
                 that this has been discussed in detail in the past, but it
            seems that
                 you would need a line from the rear side housing to the
            pressure can in
                 order to purge air that may be trapped in the engine.

                 Mark S.

                 You must run a vent line from the highest point in the
    system
                 to the top of the pressure can. In a tractor tail
    dragger it
            would be
                 the rear (car) end housing. The housing closest to the
    PSRU.
                 The best place is where you have the pressure fitting now.
        I think
                 it is the return line from the water heater port in the
    stock
                 RX7 system.

                 The pressure container must be mounted as high as possible.
                 The cooling system is constantly generating tiny steam
                 bubbles. These must be able to rise to the highest point in
        the
                 system which should be just below the pressure cap.
    When the
            pressure
                 in the system rises to the blow off setting of the
    pressure cap
                 this steam accumulation will be the first thing purged to
        the catch
                 can.

                 Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

            Paul,
            Yes, wp-plumbing5.jpg shows it more clearly.  I didn't see that
        line in
            the previous jpg.

            On my installation, the radiator is angled from front (highest)
        to rear
            (lowest), so I have a 1/4" line going from the upper most tank
        back to
            the pressure/swirl tank.

            One caveat, when filling the cooling system, it is possible
        (likely) to
            get an air pocket in the vicinity of the wp impeller.  In my
            installation (20B, thermostats removed), running the engine
    will
            not purge the air from this area.  You must remove a plug from
        the side
            of the wp housing and continue adding coolant until liquid runs
        out the
            hole.  Then replace the plug, run engine and coolant should
        circulate.
            An easy way to tell if it is circulating is to hold your
    hand on the
            outlet from the wp after the engine has been running for a
        minute or
            two.  If it is warm/hot, water is circulating.  If it is
    still cold,
            there is no circulation.  It is my understanding that more
    than one
            engine, following rebuild, has been fried due to this
        scenario.  It may
            not be a bad idea to install a petcock on the side of the wp
    housing
            for
            the purpose of purging air when refilling the cooling system.

            Mark S.


        Instead of reinstalling a plug in the side of the wp housing,
    would it
        be worthwhile to run a purge line from there to a high point in the
        system?  I guess it might depend on how tough the plug is to get
    to once
        everything is installed on the engine..


        Matt-

        Here are some water pump pictures. Perhaps Mark S can mark
        them up using MS paint for us. The 13B Cosmo pump and the 3 rotor
        pump are the same. Note the bleed hole at the top of the
        pump cavity.

        Paul



    Paul,
    Here's a picture of my water pump housing.  There's a plug in the side
    that I now use for a pressure sensor.  I remove the pressure sensor when
    refilling the cooling system.  I add coolant until it starts coming out
    the plug hole, then I replace the sensor and continue filling.  My wp
    housing does not have the bleed hole as shown in
    Bulents_Cosmo_pump2.jpg.  Did it come that way or did he add that?

    I've resisted adding a purge line as it is an additional failure
    point.  A petcock or Schrader valve would be preferrable.

    Mark S.


    I don't recall Bulents pump having that feature.
    Bulent's pump had the bleed hole as stock.

    What did you do about the bypass?

    I see you are using the Wiggins couplings. Nice work!
    --
    Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Paul,
Thanks.  Maybe its time to discuss the "wiggins" type couplings again
for the benefit of all the new folks on the ACRE.  Personally, I love
their elegant simplicity and the fact that it enables me to use aluminum
tubing throughout the system. I have a bag of spare o-rings so I can
replace the old o-rings whenever I open the system.  They look very
high-tech and you don't have to worry about them slipping off.  It does
require more time with the initial fabrication (tig welding), but once
they're fabricated, they should last forever.  As for the tig
welding, they are easily welded to the aluminum Mazda water pump
castings.  Great little devices.

Mark S.



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