Subject: Turbocharging
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 4/11/2007, 8:22 PM
To: AARotary Engine

   I was reading about turbo charging theory last night and I came across
   the discussion of turbo charging -vs- turbo normalizing.  The
   distinction seemed a little vague, but apparently there are makers of
   aftermarket turbo normalizers for aircraft that use what they referred
   to as "pop-off valves" or "fixed waste gates" rather than the
   conventional method of having the wastegate cycle open/closed to vary
   turbo speed.  I've heard of using a BOV (which sounds like a pop-off
   valve) in the intake to damp excessive back pressure into the intake
   manifold when the throttle is rapidly closed as when rapidly shifting
   gears in a car, but this sounded like it was being used on the exhaust
   side to somehow maintain the intake manifold pressure a 30
   regardless of
   the altitude.  I'm pretty confused about the difference.   Can anyone
   explain the difference in using a fixed waste gate (pop-off valve)
   method to turbo normalize.  What hardware does one use to turbo
   normalize?
   Don

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   Maybe our resident turbo charger expert Dave Leonard will handle this.

   I'll give it an initial stab. Turbo normalizers maintain
   sea level pressure up to some altitude. It is the only option
   for most general aviation piston engines as they will not
   tolerate boost. They are designed for the NA HP and that is
   it. Any boost over that and you risk catastrophic failure in the
   hand grenade mode.

   The Wankel on the other hand will tolerate lots of
   boost. Numbers like 15 psi boost are common. whether this can be
   maintained up to high altitudes depends on the details.
   Blow Off Valves on the intake manifold have been used to
   limit the boost as well as waste gates on the exhaust side
   of the turbo charger. The best control systems are
   microcomputers like the PICAXE as they can measure
   intake manifold air temperature and limit the boost if
   the air temperature gets too high. That might cause detonation.
   Detonation is enemy number one in turbo rotary engines
   as it tends to fracture the apex seals.

   Also get a copy of this book.
   "Turbochargers" by Hugh MacInnes HP Books ISBN 0-89586-135-6
   Far more comprehensive than anything you might find on
   the WWW. There is a whole chapter on high altitude turbo
   charging. I paid $16.95 for my copy years ago.
   Another book is Maximum Boost by Corky Bell ISBN
   0-8376-0160-6 Lots of design details on inter coolers
   and intake manifolds. This 3D is how I would do it.
   This minimizes the pressure drop in the inter cooler
   minimizing the turbo engine's fuel burn. That is a slide
   throttle.

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

I don't really qualify as an expert but here is my .02 the the above
excellent comments from Paul.

IMHO, pop-off and blow by valves (slight difference) are more for high
boost and/or automotive applications.  I have tried both on my aircraft,
but need neither.  Not currently using one.

I turbo normalize plus (make moderate gains in power at S/L through use
of the turbo then 'normalize' that amount of power for benefit at
altitude).  I achieve that by use of the throttle.

I have a fixed waste 'gate' (exhaust bypass really) because it was the
easiest way for me to get a big wastegate.  I believe an aircraft style
wastegate is an excellent choice, but a LARGE automotive style can work
equally well and is more available and less expensive.

David Leonard

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