Subject: OEM engine computer
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 5/3/2007, 9:04 AM
To: AARotary Engine


   Paul, and the group

   A lot has been written about aftermarket computers for our aero
   conversions. However, is there any reason why the stock engine computer
   can not be used? Does anyone have any experience in using stock? Good or
   bad? How does one go about configuring the stock unit for aircraft use?
   Engine is a 13b single turbo with fuel injection.

   Thanks and regards,

   --
   Erik Snyman
   Messina
   South Africa.

   Perry Mick has over 500 hours with the stock computer. There are a
   few tricks
   however. The stock computer takes in some data from certain places that
   don't exist in an airplane. I'll let Perry explain it if he doesn't
   mind.
   As I recall the big hang up is leaning it. Perry was working on a
   solution
   for that as I recall.

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   BTW HKS makes a bunch of add on device that change the output of the
   varies
   RX8 engine sensors in real time. I suspect they are basically
   PICAXEs with
   analog to digital converters that take in the sensor voltage and
   covert it to a
   different analog output voltage to be fed into the stock OEM computer.
   I think this is the way they did it with this 390 HP turbo RX8 engine.
   http://www.rotaryeng.net/Turbo-RX8a.jpg

   For example if you wanted to lean the OEM computer for use at
   high altitude you would take in the mass air flow sensor output voltage
   and change it so the the stock OEM computer thought it was getting less
   air than it actually was. Consequently it would put out less fuel.
   Pretty easy to do with a $30 PICAXE.

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


   Paul,

   I would have reservations about using an OEM computer at high
   altitudes. (Or any computer that has not been proven for aircraft
   use, for that matter.)

   The reason is that as atmospheric pressure drops, it becomes easier
   for electrical current to jump gaps and end up where it's not
   supposed to. We see this in aircraft magnetos that have arc-over at
   higher altitudes. That's why some of the turbocharged planes have
   pressurized magnetos.

   It is anyone's guess how the electronics inside an engine computer
   will behave at pressure of even half that at sea level (15,000 feet
   approx.). They may work fine, they may not.

   My own opinion is that I would rather not fly a stock engine
   computer above 10 to 12 thousand feet. At this altitude the stock
   computer should be able to handle the leaning anyway.

   For any serious flying above that, my preference is for a purely
   mechanical ignition system (flywheel magneto, a la Rotax), and carb
   or mechanical fuel injection.


   Regards,

   Gordon.

Those are real high voltages Gordon. Not a problem at 5 volts. Sparks are
20,000 volts and up.
Most engine computers have a coating over the parts called a conformal
coating which acts as an insulator. At Pikes peak in Colorado  there
is a road to the top at 14,000 feet as I recall where the
public can and do drive to the top. Perry has had no trouble with this in
over 500 hours.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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