Subject: Leaning a constant depression carb.
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 5/31/2007, 5:45 PM
To: AARotary Engine



   Use a needle valve to change the amount of dynamic pressure
   applied to the top chamber. Just a small controlled leak would also
   probably work.

   Unfortunately this super simple scheme won't work on the Mikuni 48 mm.

   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

   Paul,
   I like the idea of a simple system, but I don't believe a controlled
   leak will work.

   An incredibly small leak will foul up a vacuum system. The worst part
   is a tiny tweak to far and the piston falls all the way causing the
   engine to
   stop. Even at high altitude I really don't want that to happen. I
   really believe
   that fuel [level] is the way to go here.
   Bill Jepson

   OK here is an illustration of such a system.


   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

   Guys,

   Why reinvent the wheel when a perfectly good leaning system is
   flying on thousands of Rotax engines?

   The system works by controlling float bowl air pressure with vacuum
   from the carb's own venturi. It does not control fuel pressure or
   fuel flow, but works just as effectively because fuel flows from the
   carb jet as a function of the pressure differential between the
   venturi and the float bowl. If you lower the float bowl pressure,
   less fuel will flow.

   The Rotax system is automatic and uses an aneroid diaphragm to move
   a needle valve. The manual system does away with the diaphragm and
   you control the needle valve directly on your instrument panel.
   Everyone who flies Rotaxes knows both the automatic and manual
   versions and the leaning is as effective and simple as a mixture
   knob on a Cessna.

   You can buy the entire thing as a kit for under $200 and it will
   work with vacuum slide carbs, round slide carbs and flat slide
   carbs. Some of these carbs already have a port for venturi vacuum --
   including the Mikuni HSR and various Bings. In that case, it is
   simply a matter of running a bit of plastic hose to various fittings
   and the needle valve. The carb picture shows the vacuum port on the
   Bing carb. The Mikuni HSR also has a vacuum port as shown in the
   diagram.

   Carbs that don't have a venturi vacuum port, you can add one very
   easily -- typically to the slide cover on the top of the carb,
   because this is open to the venturi below. This modification is a
   piece of cake and involves drilling a hole and epoxying in a little
   hose fitting. See the pdf file.

   The first diagram shows how the diaphragm-controlled
   (automatic) system works. The line to the float bowl vent is 15.
   Normally this is vented to atmosphere (static port). You can see
   that the float bowl vent is connected to a vacuum signal from the
   carb's venturi, by line 11.

   The aneroid chamber is 22. As altitude increases and the air gets
   less dense that chamber naturally expands and pushes up the needle
   valve, 20. This shuts off the flow of static air which is in the top
   chamber -- it's connected to the airbox.

   So as the plane climbs, the float bowl pressure is decreased by
   cutting off static pressure and leaving only the lower pressure from
   the venturi. The result is that the float bowl air pressure is
   reduced, so less fuel flows.

   In the manual system you simply replace the diaphragm needle valve
   with the manual needle valve mounted to the instrument panel -- like
   this Hoke unit designed specifically for air instrument lines.

   You can roll your own by buying a needle valve, some tubing and
   tees, or you can buy a complete kit from Green Sky or Holtzman (and
   pay a little more than DIY):

   http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmanorder.htm

   http://www.holtzmaneng.com/


   Regards,

   Gordon.

   Sorry Gordon. I missed the manual leaning part the first go around.
   That is what we are after.

   Will it work with a Keihin 51 mm? I am leaning towards two of those
   because they
   are cheaper than the Mikuni's and probably easier to tune.

   Paul Lamar


   Yes, it will work with the Keihin 51mm, Paul.

   The Keihin is a vacuum slide carb (aka constant vacuum, constant
   depression, constant velocity etc.)

   This would be my first choice. This is the type of carb used on
   4-stroke Rotaxes and the small 4-stroke HKS 2-cylinder. The constant
   depression carb provides fuel metering under all possible conditions
   with an accuracy that is surpassed only by EFI.

   The only question is whether the Keihin has a port for venturi
   vacuum, if it doesn't it's not a big deal as it is a simple matter
   to tap into.

   Regards,

   Gordon.




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