Subject: Leaning a constant depression carb.
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 6/1/2007, 4:57 PM
To: AARotary Engine


     Use a needle valve to change the amount of dynamic pressure
     applied to the top chamber. Just a small controlled leak would also
     probably work.

     Unfortunately this super simple scheme won't work on the Mikuni 48
mm.

     Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

     Paul,
     I like the idea of a simple system, but I don't believe a controlled
     leak will work.

     An incredibly small leak will foul up a vacuum system. The worst part
     is a tiny tweak to far and the piston falls all the way causing the
     engine to
     stop. Even at high altitude I really don't want that to happen. I
     really believe
     that fuel [level] is the way to go here.
     Bill Jepson

     OK here is an illustration of such a system.


     Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

     Guys,

     Why reinvent the wheel when a perfectly good leaning system is
     flying on thousands of Rotax engines?

     The system works by controlling float bowl air pressure with vacuum
     from the carb's own venturi. It does not control fuel pressure or
     fuel flow, but works just as effectively because fuel flows from the
     carb jet as a function of the pressure differential between the
     venturi and the float bowl. If you lower the float bowl pressure,
     less fuel will flow.

     The Rotax system is automatic and uses an aneroid diaphragm to move
     a needle valve. The manual system does away with the diaphragm and
     you control the needle valve directly on your instrument panel.
     Everyone who flies Rotaxes knows both the automatic and manual
     versions and the leaning is as effective and simple as a mixture
     knob on a Cessna.

     You can buy the entire thing as a kit for under $200 and it will
     work with vacuum slide carbs, round slide carbs and flat slide
     carbs. Some of these carbs already have a port for venturi vacuum --
     including the Mikuni HSR and various Bings. In that case, it is
     simply a matter of running a bit of plastic hose to various fittings
     and the needle valve. The carb picture shows the vacuum port on the
     Bing carb. The Mikuni HSR also has a vacuum port as shown in the
     diagram.

     Carbs that don't have a venturi vacuum port, you can add one very
     easily -- typically to the slide cover on the top of the carb,
     because this is open to the venturi below. This modification is a
     piece of cake and involves drilling a hole and epoxying in a little
     hose fitting. See the pdf file.

     The first diagram shows how the diaphragm-controlled
     (automatic) system works. The line to the float bowl vent is 15.
     Normally this is vented to atmosphere (static port). You can see
     that the float bowl vent is connected to a vacuum signal from the
     carb's venturi, by line 11.

     The aneroid chamber is 22. As altitude increases and the air gets
     less dense that chamber naturally expands and pushes up the needle
     valve, 20. This shuts off the flow of static air which is in the top
     chamber -- it's connected to the airbox.

     So as the plane climbs, the float bowl pressure is decreased by
     cutting off static pressure and leaving only the lower pressure from
     the venturi. The result is that the float bowl air pressure is
     reduced, so less fuel flows.

     In the manual system you simply replace the diaphragm needle valve
     with the manual needle valve mounted to the instrument panel -- like
     this Hoke unit designed specifically for air instrument lines.

     You can roll your own by buying a needle valve, some tubing and
     tees, or you can buy a complete kit from Green Sky or Holtzman (and
     pay a little more than DIY):

     http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmanorder.htm

     http://www.holtzmaneng.com/


     Regards,

     Gordon.

     Sorry Gordon. I missed the manual leaning part the first go around.
     That is what we are after.

     Will it work with a Keihin 51 mm? I am leaning towards two of those
     because they
     are cheaper than the Mikuni's and probably easier to tune.

     Paul Lamar


     Yes, it will work with the Keihin 51mm, Paul.

     The Keihin is a vacuum slide carb (aka constant vacuum, constant
     depression, constant velocity etc.)

     This would be my first choice. This is the type of carb used on
     4-stroke Rotaxes and the small 4-stroke HKS 2-cylinder. The constant
     depression carb provides fuel metering under all possible conditions
     with an accuracy that is surpassed only by EFI.

     The only question is whether the Keihin has a port for venturi
     vacuum, if it doesn't it's not a big deal as it is a simple matter
     to tap into.

     Regards,

     Gordon.


What about Lectron carbs?

Joe Berki
Limo EZ

Never hear of them :) Do youhave something on them. What is the bore size?

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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