In a weight reduction effort, I have replaced the 11 lb. Mazda
   starter with this 7lb. unit, and I am happy to report that it starts the
   engine just fine. The bolt pattern is not the same however, and I needed
   to drill new mounting holes in my PSRU back plate. The starter also
   had to be mounted on the back side of its bolt hole 'ears' instead
   of the
   face for the pinion gear to mesh with the flex plate.

   The cost for this 4lb. Weight loss was $19, and half hour to fit.
   The starter is made by Nippon Denso and is available from
   Surpluscenter.com--- 12 VDC NIPPONDENSO 028000 STARTER Item#
   10-1386. They
   appear to have 47 in stock.

   Steve Rosine
   =======================


   Paul,

   For those who are interested. I received this reply and pictures
   from Steve
   recently. I did check with the people at Surplus Center and was informed
   that this item has recently been sold out. Darn!!. If anyone has a
   lead to
   this starter I would be interested to know.

   Steve wrote as follows:

   "The body of the starter is about 2.5" diameter. These pictures should
   help. In the second picture, you can see the original mounting holes
   I used
   for the Mazda starter."

   Doug Fir

   I don't don't think the stock starter is that heavy. I think it is
   around 7 pounds.

   Yes here is an old message on the subject back in 2000. It is the
   alternator
   that is 11 pounds.

   -- Ken Powell wrote:
    > >
    > > Paul,
    > > I thought the group would find the following weights interesting:
    > > 1. STOCK 13B ALT - 10 LB 12 OZ
    > > 2. 79 HONDA CIVIC ALT - 9 LB 3 OZ (This car was air conditioned
   so this
    > > was probably a 45 or 55 amp alternator)
    > > 3. 13B STARTER - 8 LB 10 OZ
    > > 4. 13B STARTER - 7 LB 8 OZ
    > > The starter weights are kind of interesting. I have 2 starters
   which
    > > look exactly alike but one weighs 1 lb 2 oz more than the
   other. Both
    > > of these came off 1986 cars. I did not take any measurements to
    > > determine why the difference in weights.
    > >
    > > BTW, I weighed these with digital fish scales from Walmart and
   verified
    > > the accuracy of these scales with the scales at the Post
   Office. The
    > > Walmart scales show exactly the same weights as the PO scales.
   This is
    > > a tip for those of you looking for a cheap way to weigh parts
   up to 50
    > > lbs.
    > >
    > > The quest for a light weight starter is on. Sometime in the
   next couple
    > > of weeks I am going to go to Autozone to weigh the Subaru Justy
   starters
    > > recommended by Paul Messinger in Contact magazine a couple of
   years ago.
    > > I am also going to try to find the weight of the 35 amp Honda
   starter
    > > used on the Civic from 1975 thru 1979. I'll report back later.
    > >
    > > Ken Powell


I bought one of these staters a few years ago, never used it, have it
sitting on a shelf. Anyone interested/

Brian Trubee


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