Subject: Rotor heads.
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 8/27/2007, 11:21 PM
To: AARotary Engine


> > > Steve, Are you going to design and build
> > > your own helicopter rotor head?
> > >
> > > What do you think of this one?
> > >
> > > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
> >
> > Gee I don't see why helicopter maintenance is so pricey  :)
> >
> > John
> >
> > Here is almost a complete articulated counter rotating rotor head.
> > I can see why counter rotating rotor head helicopters are so > rare. I still
> > haven't figured out how to move the forward swash plate yet. I > am thinking
> > Blue Tooth radio controlled :) Four high speed, computer radio > controlled,> angular electric servos, one on each blade, would do > the trick.
> > It would vastly simplify this and make fly by radio control a > real > > reality.
> > It could also be done with a infra red optical link.
> >
> > Another possibility is control the swash plates with three > servos each.
> > The servos would not have to be as fast.
> >
> > Perhaps the control rods can go into the inner shaft for the front
> > rotor. About the only company in the world that could build this > is Kamov.
> >
> > It is also still laking the lagging and flapping hinges.
> >
> > I am not dumb enough to try to build one of these :)
> >
> > Paul Lamar
> > I think I read that the control input to the rotor has to lead by > about90 degrees? The top and bottom rotor then have to lead from
> opposite directions.
> -Jeff Martin
> > All,
> The biggest drivers of the cost of helicopters are lawyers and the
> government.  One of the simplest, toughest, and most maintainable > rotorheadsis the Hiller U-12 with the servo paddles.  This thing > can be maintained in
> the middle of nowhere.  With modern materials, this thing would be
> bulletproof.  You can see model helicopters flying with these > things every
> day because it works and it's very cost effective.  Certified > helicoptersmust be maintained by an A&P and most helicopters are > not designed to be
> maintained by owner/operators and they have timed out components > that must
> be replaced on an FAA approved schedule.  For example the Bell Jet > Rangerhas these dog-bone looking tension straps in the hub that > must be replaced
> at (I think) 800 hours and they cost around $1200 each (there are > two) and
> this is NOT an afternoon job.
> > By the way, the control inputs to the rotor lead the rotor by 90 > degreesbecause what you are doing is precessing a gyroscope.  The > reality of what
> you're doing when you make a control input is that you are tilting > the rotor
> disc and the fuselage just follows the disc.
> > Steve Brazil

And by tilting the plane of rotation, you tilt the lift vector in from pure
Vert, so it
has a horizontal component.

It doesn't really matter what you fly, if it's certified then it's
expensive. I just found
out yestarday that the nose gear Hyd. cylinder needs to be replaced on the
414 I fly.
It started leaking on my last trip to Cali. It doesn't have field
maintainable seals and
is basically impossible to get fixed.  Price new... $20k from cessna.. price
for a
rebuilt? $14k.. Price for a salvaged unit? $5600...  for a ^%#$^ ~1" bore,
12" strk cylinder..!!

It's totally nuts regardless if the wings spin or not.. [now I'm guessingthat the fling wings
have a few more expensive components than a fixed wing.. I'm not trying to
compete
but it's all still crazy no matter how you slice it..  :-)]

Jarrett

Jarrett,
Send me a pic of your cylinder.... I was an aircraft hydraulic mechanic for
10 years. No such thing as we can't do it.
Larry

Ahh... they already have the replacement here and it's probably already installed.. I had to
do a last minute flight last night..[in 5hrs it leaked over a quart of 56xx fluid]
and they were going to put it in today.. I don't know if they had
to send the old one back for a core [ I suspect they did] but I'll check tomorrow and see what's
up w/ it all and let ya know.. I'm just glad I don't have to foot the bill :-)

Jarrett


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