We now have Mazdatrix dyno runs on the 2 inch steel tube welded  RX8
    p-port
    engine.

    Far more torque and HP than the RX8 high power engine in the
    6000 to 7500 RPM range. This is the range we use with the  2.85:1 PSRU.
    This had a 52 mm Weber carb which unfortunately is smaller
    than the 58 mm Weber carb we used on the 2nd gen p-port engine
    dyno runs. The 52 mm carb is showing signs of being too small.

    The 2nd gen P-port engine is now running in Mark Suspinski
    Mustang II. Hopefully that will fly soon.

    Dave Lemon commented that the engine had extraordinary stand off
    fuel/air mist
    above the carb with the stock RX8 exhaust manifold. This is to be
    expected
    as organ tuned p-ports don't like exhaust back pressure. We use  ram
    air plenum's
    so this is not a problem for us. A supercharger exhaust  manifold and
    straight through
    muffler reduced the stand off and increased the power. Dyno run B.

    More pictures on Monday and perhaps a video of the engine  running on
    the dyno.
    --
    Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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Paul,
Thanks for filling in at Copperstate- you did an excellent job.

Do you happen to have dyno numbers for the sideport RX8 6-port?   The
_OEM Renesis "claimed" _output appears to be quite close to your dyno
measurements.  I wonder how much hp/torque the p\port mod adds, though
its likely too early to compare the two setups without the optimum  carb
setup.  Do you feel the "upgrade" was worth the cost and effort given
the added stress to apex seals and possibly increased wear from  running
at a higher rpm range.

Im interested, as I now have a 4-port Renesis; and this seems a
reasonable way to improve performance in the future, if needed.  Did
anyone happen to comment on differences regarding noise levels with  the
p\port intake?
Mike Parker

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Thanks Mike.

Jim Medere, of Racing Beat fame, ran some dyno numbers on the high  power RX8 engine.
Not as much HP as Mazda claimed.  Here are the curves.

Also here are the Mazda claims on the four port RX8 version.
A p-port on the four port RX8 engine version would be a very good  idea.

The p-port configuration will always give you more torque in the
RPM range we are interested in. Namely 5000 RPM on up. That translates
to more power. The reason is; intake manifolds are aerodynamic  devices.
Forcing the air to turn corners results in aerodynamic drag. That  in turn
results in a reduction in the amount of air entering the engine.  Less air,
less fuel, less power.

The p-port rotary engine is unique in the world of piston ported  engines
(mostly two cycle engines) as the air never needs to change direction.
Consequently the p-ported Wankel engine is unprecedented in terms of
volumetric efficiency.

Note; the Power Sport engine is EFI. This engine powered a four place
Velocity airplane from Dayton Ohio to Oshkosh Wisconsin at an average
speed of 205 MPH for 500 miles. Fuel burn was 12 gallons an hour or
17 MPG. This race was sanctioned by the EAA so the results are a  matter
of public record.

The added stress on the apex seals is minimal as the identical 2nd  and 3rd gen
apex seals have no trouble with the peripheral exhaust port. I  don't know where
this harder-on-the-apex-seal myth comes from :) The exhaust p-port  is far harder on the
apex seals as they have to deal with the 1800 F exhaust gas  temperatures.

BTW this p-port intake RX8 engine has about the same overlap  numbers as the
3rd gen engine but still has the advantage of recycling all unburnt  fuel.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

I plotted the stock RX8 claimed high horsepower and torque curve superimposed on
our RX8 p-port engine HP and torque curve so you can clearly see the difference.
If we shorten the intake tube by 3.5 inches to 24.5 inches the torque curve will
move to the right and drastically increase the HP at 7500 RPM. We will try to
do that on Monday.