Subject: New radiator source.
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 11/30/2007, 4:26 PM
To: AARotary Engine


    >> Keith,
    >> What's the difference between a radiator core and an
    >> air-conditioning core.
    >> George (down under)
    >>
    >> George,
    >>
    >> The major difference is around 300 - 400 psi in the a/c core v.s.
    >> around 20 psi for a radiator. A/C cores are thicker walled round
    >> tubes to prevent them from distorting when subjected to the hgh
    >> pressures in the system. Radiator cores can use a rectangular tubes
    >> with thinner walls and will have more surface area per square inch
    >> of radiator surface, hence better heat transfer.
    >>
    >> Joel
    >
    > Aircon cores are also generally a thinner package, while heater cores
    > are significantly thicker.
    >
    > Keith Wood

   Thanks Keith and Joel,
   The reason I ask is that there are many GM aircon cores out there
   being used
   as radiators. Generally they appear thicker (not thinner), than the rad
   cores, perhaps 3 to 4" for the GM aircon cores and about up to 2"
   for the
   Rad cores.
   I believe the suggestion to increase the pressure in the Radiator to
   about
   24psi to protect against boil-over at altitude might put the radiator at
   risk, if it's rated at only 20 psi - would there be a safety factor
   built
   in or would it be running dangerously close to pressure limits.
   George (down under)


   ---------------------------------------------------------------

   It depends on which one you are talking about George.
   There are two heat exchangers in AC systems. One inside the
   vehicle and one up front next to the rad. The one up front has
   large frontal area and is thin similar to a rad.

   The one inside the vehicle has frontal area constraints and aerodynamic
   drag or pressure loss is not a consideration. It is dumb to use it
   in a way
   it was not designed for. The typical car rad is a better match for
   aircraft engine cooling use.

   Any air/fluid heat exchanger works better if thin. The ultimate heat
   exchanger has infinite frontal area with infinitesimal thickness :)
   The first half does three quarter of the work.

   So far nobody has blown a rad with up to 30 psi.
   --
   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


   Most current radiators are for low pressures, ie approximately  psi
   20 or less.  Most are now using plastic tanks and connectors to the
   cores instead of solder.  As suggested elsewhere, a good radiator
   repairman  can fabricate a soldered radiator and tanks which can be
   tested to much higher pressures which will give a good safety margin
   and reliable service.

   A/C condensers may not have as good of a heat transfer due to their
   high pressure design using thicker walls.  I'm sure they would be an
   excellent choice for oil coolers.

    Joel



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