Subject: Midwest motor, ignition device
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 12/15/2007, 3:05 PM
To: AARotary Engine


    >      Hello Paul and every body
    >      We have a trouble on our Midwest AE100R motor: This motor is
   under test
    >      to be mounted on a modified Lynx aircraft!
    >      For an undisclosed reason???? but I suppose may be a reverse
   connexion
    >      of the battery, the 2 ignition devices are out! each one
   shows more
    > than
    >      10 Amp from the 13Volt battery supply.
    >      We are looking if it is possible to repair, but we have not the
    >      schematic drawing of this device. It is the  R2 BO 11A
   (or  R2 B011A  )
    >      157-96
    >      Also, on the printed circuit board, there is some coating of
   black
    >      stuff   (like silicone) and it is impossible to check  the
   components.
    >      May be somebody knows this device and is able to send us the
   drawings;
    >      If not, does anybody knows other type and suppliers for
   replacement
    >      kit.
    >      Thank very much
    >      Daniel
    >
    >      It is pretty easy to devise a new ignition system.
    >
    >      You might have to cut a new trigger plate and mount it on
    >      the e-shaft. It should look like this. Just about any MSD
    >      ignition system should work with this. Slot the mounting holes
    >      so you can adjust the fixed spark timing to about 20 degrees
   BTDC.
    >
    >      The trigger plate can be cut out of 1/4 inch thick mild steel
    >      with a computer controlled plasma or laser cutter.
    >
    >      This will also work on PicAXE EFI systems.
    >
    >      Contact Diamond aircraft for replacement parts as they are
    >      the new owners of Midwest.
    >       http://www.diamond-air.at/
    >      Diamond Aircraft Industries
    >      N. A. Otto-Straße 5
    >      A-2700 Wiener Neustadt
    >      Tel: +43 2622 26700
    >      Fax: +43 2622 26780
    >       officediamond-air.at <http://officediamond-air.at>
   <http://officediamond-air.at>
    >
    >      Diamond Chris Dries <c.dries@diamond-air.at
   <mailto:c.dries@diamond-air.at>
    >      <mailto: c.dries@diamond-air.at
   <mailto:c.dries@diamond-air.at>>>
    >
    >      Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
    >
    >
    > Thank you for your quick answer.
    > But my question was not about the triggering of the ignition! The
   2 main
    > ignition system box are out of use: the supply line shows more than
    > 10Ampères, on each box! So one or several electronic componnet are in
    > short circuit with the common! and to try to repair we need a
   schematic
    > diagram of the system to test the components.
    > Also, I don't undertand why we must replace the trigger plate??
   before
    > the problem, the triggers works very well,and it is not sure that
   it is
    > out of use!
    >
    > I know that it could be possible to use a Mazda ignition device,
   but may
    > be there are other suppliers,with special design for aircraft.
    >   Also, Midwest in Austria have very few spare parts.
    >
    > Daniel
    >
    > It is not practical to fix it if it is potted which it appears to be.
    > That means you will need to replace it. If the current triggers
    > are working you might be able to trigger an MSD box with them.
    > --
    > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


   Paul
   It is not completely potted; only a black coating!
   We can see the component, but rather difficult to identify.
   Sorry, what is the meaning of MSD: Magnetic Solenoïd  Device, or else?
   I don't know if the trigger is working, since the main box don't
   work!, and We have not dismounted all the system from the aircraft;
   just the 2 box.
   As far as you know, is it possible to get the schematic drawing.
   If it is not possible to repair, have you any advice for replacement
   devices? with the same trigger and trigger plate if possible
   Thanks  Daniel

   MSD is a company that makes ignition modules.
   http://www.msdignition.com/

   I don't know where to get a schematic unless Diamond can send you one.
   If you can't get a schematic I don't think you will be successful
   in fixing it. Obviously one or more semi-conductors have failed
   someplace.

   Send me some good pictures of the trigger wheel and trigger plate
   and I will be able to tell if it is possible to use it with
   the MSD.
   --
   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


I'll try to make photos, next week.
What kind of steel is the fly wheel: magnétic or non magnetic?
I will ask  Midwest; unfortunatly no more reference appear on the box.
Thanks for your help
Daniel

I suspect the flywheel is magnetic steel. Try a magnet on it.
-- 
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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