Subject: Capacitive Fuel Probes
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 12/29/2007, 6:30 PM
To: AARotary Engine



                   Paul,
                   Ok, now I get it.  I'll get some of each ordered and try
           them to see
                   what works best/easiest and then post the results to
       the BMA
               list.  The
                   new BMA EFIS uses an instrument module that has two
       capacitance
                   channels, so this is not a problem for the
       late-comers.  Worth
               posting
                   anyway as there are plenty of us early "Gold Box"
       owners
           still out
                   there.  Appreciate your help.

                   Thanks,
                   Mark
                   Lancair ES-20B, 15 hours

                   Post it here too Mark. Might be of interest to other
       people
                   using the same probes. By the way it is real easy
                   to build your own probes using two one inch wide
       long strips of
               brass
                   separated by nylon nuts and bolts. Takes about an
       hour or two.
                   A 555 will handle the electronics.
                   --
                   Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


               Paul,

               I agree.  The only hard part is the end fitting, but a
       fitting could
               probably be purchased at Home Depot and modified to
       work.  Might
           have a
               total of $5 in each probe.  I ordered the EI probes when I
           ordered the
               kit and didn't know squat about capacitive fuel probes.
        I guess
           that's
               part of the "education and recreation" of building your own
           airplane.

               By the way, it is a real thrill, while also a bit scary
       to be
           flying
               around above the clouds in an "experimental" airplane
       that you put
               together in your garage and which uses a car engine
       along with a
           whole
               bunch of do-it-yourself parts.  You can't help but
       wonder if you
           did
               everything correctly as one snafu could easily ruin your
       whole day.
               With that said, I'm beginning to feel a bit more comfortable
           about the
               whole experience now.   But give me a couple-hundred
       hours of
               trouble-free flying and then ask me how I'm feeling.

               Mark
               15 hrs (and counting)

               My mother told me never to fly anywhere unless I could
       see the
           ground :)

               Things happen. Plan on it. I am not supposed to be
       saying that
               on here but never the less always have a plan B.

               Judging by what I have seen so far of your excellent
       installation
               I think you have less to worry about than most.

               BTW what are you seeing on the "cylinder head"
       temperature gages
               so far? You are our only experimenter on those.

               How is the muffler working out?
               --
               Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

           Paul,
           Thanks for the vote of confidence.  I try to fly high so
       that I have
           more options, just in case.

           I haven't looked at the CHT's in a while as you must page
       through a
           number of screens on the EM-2 to get to the EGT/CHT page.
        Not much you
           can do about it anyway.  I like to keep the main page up
       during the
           initial climb, but the most important info is on the top and
       bottom
           lines which don't change when paging.  The EGT's typically
       run around
           1600-1650 in cruise.  I'll check the CHT's on my next flight
       and let
           you
           know what they're reading.

           The "R.B.Wagner" exhaust tubes seem to be holding up just
       fine also.
           So is my homemade auger muffler, although guys tell me that
       they can
           hear me coming from 5 miles away.  I tested a Hush Power II
       resonator
           muffler and it is amazing how much quieter it is over the auger
           muffler.  For the first time I could actually hear the prop
       above the
           exhaust.  The body of the muffler is only 12", overall
       length is 17.5"
           but a couple of inches can be cut off both ends to shorten
       it.  It is
           compact enough to fit under the cowl.  I couldn't bring
       myself to hang a
           muffler under that beautiful airframe.  This provides a good
           alternative.  Dennis H. has one of these on his RV-7A and it
       is the
           quietest airplane on the field.  Now that's something you
       don't hear
           often when discussing rotaries.

           By the way, a side benefit to the oil/water exchanger is
       that the oil
           keeps the water hot enough so I don't need a thermostat or
       cowl flap.
           Yesterday, I flew and the oat was 44*F.  The coolant was up
       around
           170-175 in climb and settled down to 150-160 in economy
       cruise.  Oil
           temps track 10-15* higher.  If it gets much colder, things
       may change
           and I may have to add a cowl flap.  The 20B burns about 12.3
       gph in
           economy cruise.  Not too shabby, especially since I can burn
       auto fuel
           which is more than $1/gallon cheaper.

           Mark S.
           16 hrs

           There is no cheap replacement for thick RB Wagner SS exhaust
       pipes :)

           You certainly have plenty of cooling capacity in the winter
       time :)

           12.3 gph is 73.8 pounds per hour so at a  well leaned BSFC of
           .47 (150 F lean of peak.) that would be about 160 HP. At .5
       BSFC it
           would
           be about 150 HP. At that HP rate the 3 rotor TBO should be
       5000 hours :)

           How fast are you going at 12.3 gph and what is the EGT?
           --
           Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


       Paul,
       That was cruising in overdrive.  ;-)  Best I recall, it was about
       105-110 kts indicated, 123 kts TAS (142 MPH) and about 17" MAP,
       highest EGT was
       1600 +/- .  I'll verify that again on next flight.  I'm still
       working on
       getting the EM-2 fuel totalizer calibrated. I know I'm close,
       but not
       quite there yet.  Best cruise speed I've seen so far is 173 kts
       TAS (200 MPH).
       This was at 1700 prop rpm, 5200 engine rpm, wot and no wheel
       pants.  I
       can't wait to see what it will do with the wheel pants installed and
       higher prop/engine rpm.  That M/T c/s prop sure makes things
       nice.  I
       usually set the prop to 2250 for takeoff.  That gives me almost
       7,000
       rpm for takeoff.  She's usually airborne before I hit the first
       turnoff.  Once I'm up to about 110 kts I start dialing the prop
       speed
       down to reduce the stress on the engine and psru, and also to
       lower the
       fuel burn.  I usually see about 26-27gph ( 160#/.6 BSFC = 265 HP....
       160#/.65 BSFC = 246 HP) on the EC-2 during initial climb.  It
       usually
       climbs in excess of 1500 fpm at 105-110 kts.  Not too bad for a
       4-place
       airplane.  I haven't done a  full-power climb at Vx yet.

       Mark

       Thanks for the performance data. I'll have to do some data
       reduction.
       I assume you have the 2.85:1 PSRU since you can reach 7000 RPM
       or can you do that with a 2.17:1 PSRU?

       My C182 cruises at about 150 MPH on about the same 12 gph fuel
       burn. Of course
       it won't cruise at 200 MPH :)
       --
       Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

  Paul,
   I flew again today, my first official cross-country in a
   rotary-powered airplane.  I flew from Lockhart (50R) to Taylor
   (T74), staying outside of the ABIA class C airspace.  It took an
   hour from engine start to "clear of the active" and I burned approx.
   11 gallons according to the capacitive fuel gauges (on the ground).
   I managed to snap a couple of shots of the EM-2 and EFIS for your
   viewing pleasure.  The TAS readings differ a bit between the EFIS
   and the EM-2. The oil & coolant temps to pay attention to are the
   ones on the EFIS.  The EM-2 oil temp is the temp after the oil/air
   cooler, but before the oil/water exchanger.  The EM-2 coolant temp
   is the return coolant temp, after the radiator (returning to
   engine).  You can see that the coolant and oil temps (shown on the
   EFIS) are within about 10* of each other.

   The highest EGT is shown on line two and is rotor #1 (nearest the
   flywheel) and is at 1647*.  The two bars to the right of the #1 show
   a graphical representation of the EGTs (#2 is not working as is
   evidenced by a gap between the #1 and $3 bars).

   I checked the CHT readings and the highest was also #1 (nearest the
   flywheel) as I would have expected.  It was reading 195-200*.

   The fuel readings (lower right of the EFIS) were Left - 33 gallons,
   Right 29 gallons when in the hangar before the flight.  You can see
   that the left is reading 25.5, which is pretty close, but the right
   has gained 7 gallons and is reading 36.1 gal.  Maybe I should apply
   for a patent.  :-)  All kidding aside, I really need to get this
   corrected.  I'll be trying out your suggestions soon.

   Mark
   17 hrs

Paul,
I forgot to mention that the box is a 2.85 (RD-2C).

Mark

Thanks Mark.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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