Subject: Fuel Probes (again)]
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 2/14/2008, 3:42 PM
To: AARotary Engine


           It's somewhat likely the noise is radiated as opposed to
       conducted to
           the sensor circuit.

           Do you have access to a handheld transceiver (with a "rubber
   ducky"
           antenna)?  While transmitting with it (on a locally inactive
       frequency),
           you may be able to identify a portion of the circuit that is
       vulnerable
           to the RF radiation.  If you don't find any part of the circuit
           responding to the handheld then grounding properly likely will
       improve
           things.

           There are instruments sold by Van's which are vulnerable to
   RF.  The
           only solutions found have been to shield the instrument (in your
       case,
           probably the CTV box) with metal - heavy foil may work, but a
       metal box
           might be better.  Or ignore it.  When the mic is un-keyed,
   do the
           readings return to normal immediately?


           Regards,

           Matt-

         Matt,
         I hadn't considered using a hand-held radio to trouble-shoot this
         problem.  I'll give that a try.  Once the mic is unkeyed, the
   readings
         will return to normal, but not immediately since they have a
   built in
         damping factor.

         For now, my most reliable method of tracking remaining fuel is
       with the
         Real World Solutions EM-2 engine monitor.  This unit calculates
       the fuel
         used based on the duty-cycle of the injectors.  I enter the
   number of
         gallons added when I refuel, and it counts down (or up if you
       wish) from
         there.  Even though it doesn't track fuel levels in each
   individual
         tank, it is still a pretty nice backup system.

         I also have a 7-gallon low fuel warning light for each tank,
       driven by a
         GEMS sensor.  Again, nice to have a backup system when the primary
       is a
         bit quirky.

         Mark

       Hi Mark,
       Matt may be on the right track with the handheld idea. If its
   possible
       align the antenna of the handheld as parallel to the installed
   cap. tube
       as you can then key the handheld while someone else watches the
   gage.
       Get as close as you can to get the greatest and quickest effect.
   If you
       get no response try aligning perpendicular to the tube and key the
       handheld again. It's possible that you were lucky (?) enough to
   get your
       installed tube and installed antenna exactly in parallel
       geometric planes and the radiated energy is the culprit.     Dave M




   The alignment probably isn't all that critical.  Within a fairly large
   range of angles of antenna polarization/orientation, energy transfer
   will not fall off dramatically.  Being off axis even 45deg would only
   cause a relatively small difference.  That's why it's okay that many
   aircraft comm dipoles are tipped or even bent.  It's also why two
   aircraft can talk to each other even if both are maneuvering - even
   aerobatics.

   In the case of the fuel sensor circuit, just the overall field strength
   caused by the transmitting comm is the likely culprit.

   Mark, is your comm radio working well?  Can people hear your
   transmissions clearly (and at a distance)?  If not, the fuel sensors may
   be fine and some portion of the comm feed or antenna may not be up to
   snuff...


   Matt-


Matt,

I can be heard very well, or so I'm told.  My nav/com is an SL-30 with a
Bob Archer antenna in the tail.  It was tested by a ham prior to
installation and checked out very well (don't remember the numbers).
Coax is RG-400 and is one piece from the antenna all the way up to the
radio.  The fuel gauges are the only thing that seem to be affected by
the radio.

Mark


RG400 is 50 ohm and is for a quarter wave antennas.
http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/cables/coaxial/optimized_rg400_coaxial_cable.html

Regular Nav/com antennas for metal airplanes are quarter wave.

"Depending upon height above ground, the influence of surrounding objects
and other factors, our quarter wave antenna with a near perfect ground
exhibits a nominal input impedance of around 36 ohms."

http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/antennas/antenna-basics.htm

I think what you have Mark is a half wave antenna.
"A half wave dipole antenna does not need a ground plane and is nominally 75 ohms."

Despite the fact it is working well this implies some
reflected energy on the outside of the coax shield.

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