Subject: Fuel Probes (again)
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 2/18/2008, 12:16 PM
To: AARotary Engine




            Mark what kind of antennas are you using? If tape was the coax
            connected in the center. I assume they and the coax are
    bonded in
            so there is little you can do about changing anything having
    to do
            with that.

            The other thing I am curious about is the new box that converts
            the fuel sensor value to a variable frequency pulse. Please look
        inside
            and tell me the numbers on the chips if they are readable of
    course.
            Some manufacturers mask the numbers sometimes so it makes it
            more difficult to copy the circuit.

            The diodes Aubrey mentions may be embedded in the chip or
    chips what
            ever the case may be. In that case the only thing I think
    you can
            do is put them in a shielded box and move it away from the coax.

            --
            Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


        Paul (and others),
        I made a breakthrough this  weekend on the fuel probe problem.  I
        rewired the right probe with shielded wire from the probe all
    the way to
        the EFIS.  Power up the EFIS and Nav/Com, hit PTT, and the gauge is
        steady as a rock.  The left gauge (the one that I haven't
    changed) still
        acted up as always, but it will be next to fix.  But the right
    one with
        shielded wire appears to be working great.  It was too late in
    the day
        to fly it, but I feel 99% certain that this has corrected the
    problem.

        Thanks to everyone that shared their ideas and suggestions on
    how to fix
        this very annoying (and potentially dangerous) problem.

        Mark S.
        25.5 hrs

        Congratulations Mark. You had a real bear of a problem there for
    awhile.
        These kinds of problems usually require real expensive instruments
        to trouble shoot like field strength meters and VSWR meters.

        Probably a good plan of attack is shield everything in an airplane
        including all the engine computer wiring.
        --
        Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

    Paul,

    I have heard of others having this same type of problem with capacitive
    fuel gauges.  You would think the manufacturer would provide some
    guidance/assistance on how to correct this problem.  Oh well, such is
    EXPERIMENTAL aviation.  Thanks for your help.

    Mark

    They mostly deal with metal airplanes and they provide a better ground
    and some shielding. Also RG400 is the correct coax for metal airplanes
    with quarter wave antennas.

    I am still curious about your antenna. Did you use a tape antenna?
    Send me private email if you want to keep it on the QT :)

    Here are a couple of shots from that SA mag composite plane antenna
    article.
    I think you can just barely see where the coax is connected to the
    half wave antenna in the detail photo.

    BTW I notice that Cessna bought Columbia so you and Tom Parkes now
    own Cessna's :)
    I also notice Cessna opened a plant in China for LSA aircraft.
    --
    Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Mark's using a Bob Archer - he said so in a message I received on 2/14:


"Matt,

I can be heard very well, or so I'm told.  My nav/com is an SL-30 with a
Bob Archer antenna in the tail.  It was tested by a ham prior to
installation and checked out very well (don't remember the numbers).
Coax is RG-400 and is one piece from the antenna all the way up to the
radio.  The fuel gauges are the only thing that seem to be affected by
the radio.

Mark"


Regards,

Matt-

Sorry! That got lost in my mind :)

http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/bob_archer.htm

Sounds like they are for metal airplanes only with composite wing and
rudder tips. Any RF on the outside of the coax would be shielded by
the metal wings or vertical tail. I'll cc this to Bob.

I suspect the VSWR and the radiation pattern are different
if installed in a totally composite airplane.
-- 
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Hi Guys:

I am not sure who sent me this message.

I will attach a paper I wrote on the subject of aircraft electrical noise
and RF interference.

I would be happy to help solve any of these problems.

Bob

That was me Bob. Thanks for the paper.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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