Subject: Hydrogen
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 2/18/2008, 11:35 PM
To: AARotary Engine


They may get a patent in USA like you said but then the fight begins in
court. I've witnessed this with G.E. having a patent on a wind turbine
electrical control mechanism that was clearly in technical journals and
talked about for months before they filed their patent. Can they defend it?
You bet. They are, and unless the challenger can afford to pay for huge
lawyer fees, endless delays, feints, and other legal shenanigans, they will
run out of funds long before GE coffers has even the slightest dent. GE,
the
late comer in large wind turbine has the deepest pockets. The amount
companies spend on idea protection always depends on the perceived market
value of the idea. Ditto for turbo-compound. Its value is huge.
But lately another wrench is poised to be thrown into the very idea of
hydro-carbon based fuels which may or may not slow down turbo compound
research.

Most of you have heard me mention hydrogen before as a good fuel
additive.
Most assumed I was speaking about pure atomic hydrogen. I wasn't. Within
the last year a few researchers have found the proper pulse rate and
ultrasonic frequency to use in an electrolizer that pushes the gas
output up
to 10X over what Faraday postulated was possible. This is done by not
reducing hydrogen and oxygen to its simple atomic state as in how a 'normal
electrolizer would work with a KOH catalizing solution, but rather taking
off both hydrogen and oxygen together in their natural stoimeteric ratio.

Pulsed generators electro-lizers making 'Brown's gas' or H-O-H from water
are starting to sprout up around the world since Stanley Meyers' patent
expired last July and a few guys in Britian, USA, and Austrailia were, by
sharing info, able to reverse engineer his work and I believe even improve
it. I had communicated with Stanley about the time I first moved to Japan
in the early 80s and found he was a little guarded and lacked the proper
scientific terminology to explain his work. In short very 'out there'

In hindsight I am amazed at what he actually did accomplished in the late
70s using analog circuits. Today with powerful MOSFETS and feedback
circuits that can be modulated automatically around water's natural
resonance frequency at 42.8 kHz strange things start to happens. It is not
just the energy of the gas but some researchers think something is
happening
within the gas like microscopic ball lightening.

A few breakthroughs in the last few months, that have been freely shared on
the Internet, have enabled any home hobbyist, including everyone on this
newsletter to throw together a simple device and test the technology for
themselves. OK before you guys call in the UFOs check out these site and
devote a few hours to following the threads and a few more hours tinkering.

Now a few firms in Canada, Florida, Japan, Russia, England, and Taiwan are
already claiming they developed the technology. Pss shaw!!! Perhaps the
electrical circuit and the electrolyzer are slightly different but as for
patentable? We will see:) I am making one now so I'll let you know how it
goes.

How about rotary engines running on Brown gas? Why not? A few guys are
running ICE on 100% Brown's gas, with stainless steel valves and ceramic
coated parts. We can use stainless intakes and exhausts pipes and ceramic
coat the rotor and side walls as well. Like turbo compounding this idea
might be worth exploring and doing. I assume a certain amount of steam
might
contact the combustion chamber and rust out the engine. Many people are
already supplementing their gasoline engines cars with a simple
electrolyzer
making this gas and claiming 15% to 50% fuel mileage increases. BEWARE
though. Some of the designs look like Mickey Mouse designed them.

I only brought this topic up because I have seen a lot of discussion
lately
on what are obvious to me different parts of the device. For example D.C.
PWM circuits, capacitors, and concentric tube fuel senders.

Start here and let me know what you think.
http://peswiki.com/energy/OS:Water_Fuel_Cell

Doug (back in Japan)

Haven't you heard? They found another 200 years supply of petroleum in the
Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, tar sands in addition to a 100 years supply
already being exploited in Alberta. As soon as crude goes over $120 a
barrel
it will become economically feasible to extract the crude in the US.
No beating gasoline for miles per cubic foot.

BTW I was getting worried Doug. I tried to contact Tom Weber to get your
brothers phone number to see if he got your body back from the wilds of
Himalayas.
Glad to see you made it out of there alive one more time :) Robin says;
"Thank heavens!
Paul can stop worrying now". "Paul worries about you Doug." Robin.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

Paul, and Doug,
My conjecture has always been that the development of the Renesis was
powered by
Mazda's hydrogen research. The fact that the rotary can provide a
WORKABLE no-overlap
cycle is a total boon to H2 operation since the propensity for intake
manifold backfire is
greatly reduced. Since P-port is always a higher HP option I really
believe the hydrogen
work generated the basis for the Renesis gas engine. Doug might check
with some of the factory contacts about it. I have always been curious.
Bill Jepson

Mazda wrote SAE of Japan paper C389/233 925011 on the hydrogen engine.
Nothing to do with the Renesis/RX8 engine. The intake porting is much
different. The higher pressure direct injection hydrogen gas port
opens much later in the intake cycle than the air port. Premix was
tried but did not work as well. There appear to be a few inconsistencies
in the English version of the paper. The power at best seems to be only
63% of the gasoline version and the BSFC only 90% as good as gasoline.
Of course the range is much worse.

Paul Lamar



Hi Paul,

I appreciate your concern for my safety, but the biggest hazard in my
volunteer work in Nepal is getting hit by falling oranges. The central
government is totally incompentent and  none functional, but at the village
level in the remote mountains, work goes on smoothly and the bureaucrats are
on auto-pilot since the Mao guerrillas left and joined the political
process.  Tourists are the number one foreign exchange generator over there
so except for a few rare occasions we are treated well by all factions.

But I can understand your concerns. Thanks. Reading the news you would think
all Nepal is burning and there are riots in the streets. There were not.
Some of the neighboring countries to the West perhaps but not Nepal.
Interesting to this discussion is the fact that the biggest tire burning,
road shut down strike was because the government raised the price of petrol
about  4 cents US.  And this is in a country where petrol is heavily
subsidized and still way below European costs per liter.   Nepalese taxi and
truck drivers lease their vehicles from wealthy owners, prepaid by the
month. The drivers are strongly organized and their profit margins are slim.
You can bet that when they start to lose money they take to the streets
because they have found the government backs down way easier then the
vehicle owners.

I'm sure many of you have read the news describing an event you personally
participated in.  Reporters tend to be bias, exaggerate, and sensationalize
the facts.  In short news needs to sell. Objective facts are interesting
only to scientists.  This goes for the rotary engine as well.  We mostly
hear they smoke, have a loud strange exhaust, and are gas guzzlers. Why the
heck would anyone want one?  Heck their are billions of piston engines out
there in vehicles. Surely the piston engine must be better. Even Einstein
drove a Chevy with a piston engine:)

Running a car on water IS nonsense and unfortunately the charlatans selling
Mickey mouse designed electro-lizers are claiming that. Running an engine on
the constituents of water, Brown's gas (not pure hydrogen) may seems like
nonsense although it is being done and perhaps the  over unity phenomena is
not really over unity at all. E=Mc2 may still apply. It appears there is
more energy in the make-up of water than just hydrogen and oxygen. So what
does this mean? Simple H-0-H retains a very high atomic charge, for a short
duration of time and this charge helps release its energy potential when in
the combustion chamber. Supposedly it's energy potential is higher than just
straight hydrogen.

I don't know for sure at this point in time, but if mixing in some of this
Brown's gas with a hydro-carbon based fuel gives me an 10% increase in gas
mileage and an overall decrease in fuel weight then I am interested in
testing it.

  So what to do?  Argue for why is shouldn't work or promote the old energy
intensive methods of burning hydro-carbons because they appear economically
inexpensive when you examined only the well to gas tank part of the energy
vector? True they aren't going away anytime soon but maintaining the status
quo has never been an acceptable norm in light of pursuing something more
efficient. The paradigm shift for accepting a new technology always starts
with skeptical denial - and well it should.


Doug in Japan



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