Subject: Preliminary Zenith motor mount.
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 2/18/2008, 11:45 PM
To: AARotary Engine


 > >> I am not sure which Zenith this is then. The 801 is the high wing
 > >> STOL
 > >> right?
 > >> This may be for the ZODIAC XL/601. Somebody said all Zeniths were
 > >> the same
 > >> firewall.
 > >> No problem changing it. Notice this is for a one rotor LSA. Are
 > >> you using a
 > >> two rotor?
 > >>
 > >> I dwgs are preliminary so I was planning on using that top center
 > >> hard point
 > >> for the rear motor mount using a strut arrangement similar to this.
 > >>
 > >> The rad may fit under the engine. Two rotors require a rad about
 > >> 600 cubic
 > >> inches no more than 2 inches thick. That implies a rad core about
 > >> 18" by 18"
 > >>
 > >> Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
 > >>
 > >> Well, No I didn't say all Zeniths shared the same firewall, what I
 > >> said was
 > >> that the CH-640, and the CH-801 Stol shared the same firewall (as
 > >> well as
 > >> the certified AMD 2000). The only difference from 801 to 640 is
 > >> the top
 > >> center reinforce present on the 801. The 640 being a low wing
 > >> design doesn't
 > >> have this feature. I hope that I have cleared up the confusion.
 > >> I have no information on the 601 or 701. they may share the same
 > >> firewall
 > >> design between each other, or not.
 > >>
 > >> C. Smith
 > >> CH-640 builder
 > >>
 > >> One needs a menu to keep track of all these numbers :)
 > >> What is the difference between a 701 and an 801?
 > >
 > > > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.
 > >
 > > The CH 701 is a two seater and the 801 which looks similar is scaled
 > > up for four seats. The 701 is limited to 200 lbs firewall forward
 > > (Rotamax) while the 801 is designed for the FWF weight of an
 > > 0-360. These designs are both extreme STOL high wing, low and
 > > slow. There are also Zenith designs that are designed to go faster.
 > > I don't know much about them as my interest is with the 701. Judging
 > > from forum activity I would guess there are many, many builders and
 > > new launches are frequent. Jerry
 > >
 > > Which one do we need a motor mount design for first?
 > > Paul Lamar
 >
 > The 801 for Patrick Wrase. He is in line for an engine mount. Here
 > is some old stuff from around beginning of this month. Jerry
 >
 >
 > OK I assume he wants the 13B trust line moved down 56.94 mm down
 > from the Lycoming position based on the attached FW-DWG2.JPG dwg.
 > Is that correct? We will use the upper hard point for the rear mount
 > strut.
 >
 > Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Hi Paul,

As you mention, drawing FW-DWG2 is the correct layout for the 801.  If
the thrust is lowered by the 56.94mm this will allow for a bit of
clearance, about 1", between the cowl and the modified water pump
outlet.  There should be sufficient ground clearance as the Zenith
drawing BOTTOM-HALF.JPG describes 15.5" of ground clearance with the
Sensenich S76EM8 with the O-360 thrust location.  Although when I scale
the distance from the stock thrust line to the ground on drawing
COWL-DIMS.JPG I come up with 48.31" which would leave about 10" at the
stock location and therefore slightly less than 8" if lowered by
56.94mm.  What is your opinion on this modification?  I would rather not
have to bubble the cowl if possible.

The top mount point attaches to the forward fuselage tubular frame at
the 40mm x 100mm plate with two 3/8" bolts.

Jerry, the engine is a 1988 13B, not the Renesis.

Thanks
Pat

13B not RX8/Renesis that changes things. Makes the alternator easier
to mount on the side. You need to cut your water pump down Pat.
I have a step by step to do that.

Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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