Subject: EFI and return lines to sump question...
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 5/14/2008, 7:22 PM
To: AAA Put this in the To box


    I have a question for people with electronic fuel injection systems.  My
    question involves the tank setup and return lines.   On a Cozy with a 20b.
    I have a sump tank and I planned on having check valves between the wing
    tanks and the back seat sump tank. ( I am using Infinity retracts )  I'm
    not
    using a tank selector valve.  Only a fuel system on/off valve.   I want it
    simple yet right.  I have 1/2" stainless tubing between the tanks and
    1/2"
    outlet from the sump.  Now I'm concerned about the return line from the
    Fuel
    Injection.  Will the pressure of the heated return lines keep the check
    valves from allowing more fuel into the sump?  I plan on a vented system in
    all tanks but then worry that any pressure could push fuel out of the sump
    vent line.  I planned on having positive air pressure on the vent lines
    during flight by facing the outlets into the wind or "jetstream"

    I've got notes from other past questions on this group that suggest the
    check valves but I'm not sure they are using EFI and I wonder where they
    are
    returning the fuel.

    Rick Irwin



My opinion  is that the deciding factor would be the pressure from the
ram-air vents. The fuel injection system will be returning less fuel
than it takes from the sump tank. The overall pressure will be whatever
the ram air supplies to the tanks. If the pressure to all the tanks is
the same, in theory you should have no problem. -In theory.


I copied Tracy Crook's setup- all fuel to the engine taken from and
returned to  the right tank, and a facet pump transfers fuel from the
left to the right pump. I elected to heed the age-old advise- keep it
simple.



That's my opinion, but I am a product of public education, so follow it
at your peril.



Brian Trubee

Be very very very careful about using dynamic pressure vents. Vents facing forward.
At speed, dynamic pressure alone can empty a tank in minutes. Use something
that is proven to work. Follow the Cozy plans exactly.  I would be wary of
using one way valves.

There are dozens of pit falls to fuel systems. Improperly
designed fuel systems are a leading cause of crashes.

If you use an Andair valve make sure it is in a place that
cannot inadvertently be switched by objects in the cockpit
such as knees and elbows.
--
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


I have dual fuel pumps inside a small 1 gallon "sump", fuel return to sump, sump mounted very low.
L-R-OFF fuel selector per Long-EZ plans (Cozy is probably similar), selected main drains to sump.
There are no issues with fuel heating. The sump must be vented, but cannot receive ram pressure
higher than what the main tank vents see.
Very simple.

Perry
http://www.mickaircraft.com/duckt.htm



Paul,

My SeaWind is set up identically to what Perry described with cable
activated large mechanical valves draining either the right or left wing
tank into a three gallon low sump tank.  A low fuel warning sensor is
set into the sump tank halfway up as to serve as an audible warning in
case the wing tanks were not selected or flowing.
All  check valves have gone into the `will not use` pile.

Check valves in fuel use applications are only good when they have
significant pressure on them to seal and significant pressure to
overcome the spring in operation.  They do cause a restriction in flow
naturally and in running multiple pumps in parallel they are required.
However  in gravity flow locations they tend to seep, especially when a
speck of grit is on the seal. Electric solenoids? IMHO OK only for non
critical applications providing the cut off mechanism in cross feeding
between the starboard and port wing tanks.  Most airplanes don`t need
this feature but Seaplanes need to sometimes move fuel while on water
from one side  to other to trim the  plane for take-off.  I might add
that quite a few SeaWinds to date have been downed by fuel system
related troubles.  Solenoids can fail from dirt or electrical problems.

Doug in Japan

How was your trip to Germany?
Did you make it down to the Wankel Museum?
-- 
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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