Subject: EFI and return lines to sump question...
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 5/19/2008, 8:56 AM
To: AAA Put this in the To box


      Use two or more small low pressure facet pumps down near the
      main tank outlets, to pump fuel up to the 20 gal aux tank.
      They have built in one way valves. Select one or the other
      with switches depending on the amount in the strake tanks.
      Use sight gages on the inner ends of the strake tanks.

      Use a tall and skinny sump tank behind the firewall fed only from
      the center tank. A piece of five inch aluminum tubing 4 feet high will
      work fine. About 4 gallons. Send the return fuel to this tank.
      Vent all tanks to the top of the fuse but do not point
      the vents forward in any case.

      There is a sight gage on the forward face of the aux 20 gallon tank.
      When that is empty you still have a gallon or so in the sump tank to get
      it on the ground.

      IMHO total fuel will now be about 59 gallons or about 3.3 hours or
      700 mile range at 75% power. Leaning the engine to .47 BSFC you
      will get about 740 mile range. The fuel burn will go down
      to about 17 gallons an hour.

      Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Paul why the 4' high sump? It is being fed by gravity right? Will the
return fuel be enough to keep it full? Will it only be as full as the
head in the main center tank? Why not just weld 1' or so of the 5" pipe
on to the bottom of the center tank?

Dan

Welding pipe on the bottom of the  center tank will not work because it sits on top
of the spar for CG and passenger space reasons. Besides that it is made from fiberglass.

It's not entirely necessary to be 48 inches but it won't hurt. It adds a few gallons.
If it were shorter and vented the vent would fill up to the top of the center tank.
The return fuel is always less than the fuel going out. The fuel in the sump tank and
the center tank will slowly go down together until the center tank is near empty. At that point
one of the strake fuel pumps is turned on to refill the center tank and the sump tank.
The center tank and sump tank will then go down again. The process is repeated for the
other strake tank. When the center tank goes down again for the third and last time the
only fuel will be left in the sump tank. The sump tank never really gets close to empty
until the aircraft is completely out of gas.

BTW you could vent all three tanks to the top of the sump tank. If you forget
and left one of the strake pumps on too long fuel would be transfered back
to the other strake tank after the sump and center tanks filled up.

Another way of plumbing three tanks is have the center tank drain to
both strake tanks. Then have the strake tanks drain to the 48 inch high
sump tank. That would eliminate the two transfer pumps.

You could put the center tank low ahead of the spar but then it would encroach on passenger
space and it would not gravity feed to a sump tank.

For an LSA three tanks are totally unnecessary as you are not sweating fuel capacity.

One of the big pitfalls with EFI return fuel is to suck fuel from one tank and return
fuel to another. In that case you can empty a tank in short order and perhaps pump
fuel out of the other tank through it's vent.


Fuel systems are tricky. You must consider a range of scenarios. Physical layout
is as important as plumbing configuration or more so.

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These are the 3D's for the third scenario.
By far the simplest system so far. Does away with the transfer
pumps. All return fuel goes to the 4' high aluminum sump tank which
will help to cool it.
-- 
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.


Well that's interesting. Can the drains from the upper fill tank to the
main tanks be lowered a bit? The main tank vents are actually located upper
rear so the tanks vent with the nose in the down parked position.

Perry


Yes.
I can see your point. When a canard is parked and being fueled the
aircraft's  noes is in the down position. In that case the rear position of the
strake vents would be better. The drains from the center tank to the strake tanks
should be rather large at around one inch so when fueling it does not take too
long to fill all three tanks from the filler neck alone on top of the center tank.
The strake drains to the sump tank can be about 1/2 inch. Vent lines
can be about 1/4 inch.


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BTW Al Gietzen just told me his 3 rotor Velocity would do 175 Kts (200 MPH)
on 9 gallons an hour.

http://www.rotaryeng.net/final-cut2-Al-Gietzen-Velocity.wmv

If this Cozy with retracts can do the
same that would be a range of about 1300 miles with this
three tank system. 9 gallons an hour at a BSFC of .5
is only 108 HP or 33% power level with a 300 HP engine.
In Al's case it is about 50% power. Top speed is the
cube root of HP so Al's top speed is:

200 = k X 4.76
k= 200 MPH/4.76 = 42 = drag constant for Al's airplane.
Cube root of 225 HP is 6.
So Al's top speed in theory with 225 HP is 252 MPH.
Fuel burn at .6 BSFC full rich could be as high as
23 gallons per hour.


Rick's top speed with the same drag as Al's is:
Cube root of 300 HP is 6.7.
6.7 x 42 is 281 MPH.
So Rick's top speed in theory is 281 MPH with 300 HP.
Fuel burn at .6 BSFC full rich could be as high as
30 gallons per hour.

What fuel burn and speed are you cruising at Perry?

-- 
Paul Lamar ...No rotor no motor.

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