Subject: Ultimate rotary
From: Rotary Engine
Date: 10/20/2008, 4:50 AM
To: AAA Put this in the To box


>   Hello fellow rotary lovers :)
>   Let me breathily introduce myself. My name is Ted Miron,
> I'm Russian (now you
> know why my English is so hard to fallow). Used to race and now
> working in race
> car engineering, design, team tech. management etc.
>     I have to tell that I love this little engine
> - three and four rotors are so
> slick and low, while tremendous amount of power could be
> available. I've heard a
> joke - engineers are not boring people. They just get exited
> about boring
> things. So when I say love it is true - I feel it :)
>    Italians would use word passion. I also feel
> passion for fast and beautiful
> cars. I feel passion driving such cars on the very limit. One
> who tried both can
> say that feelings are very similar - flying and seating behind
> the wheel of the
> car sliding around sweeping corner. It slides ever so slightly -
> 3-4 deg. So
> it's not visible from the outside but you feel it - a tiny bit
> faster and it
> falls off the racing line. Maximum possible grip and a great feeling.
>    I'm designing a super car. I want it to have an
> ultimate engine. I want this
> engine to be extremely compact, low CG, light and very powerful.
> So it's got to
> be a rotary. General public just do not realize, how great this
> engines are.
> Because there are no cars around to show it off. RX7 and 8 are
> great but
> practicality and economical feasibility don't let them be
> something to admire.
> There is great LeMans wining 787 and gorgeous 792 but people
> around do not know
> about them. There's stunning Furai but it is completely
> impractical in terms
> that it's an LMP2 Courage chassis (or was it Lola?) covered with
> bodywork.   People know about Ferrari Enzo,
> Lamborghini, Pagani and they admire their
> piston v12's. There got to be something that could be street
> driven just like
> those, yet even faster than those on the race track. It has to
> be rotary.
>    There's one thing that makes this project a little
> different than excellent
> cars that I mentioned. Being absolutely street worthy, it has
> built in race
> setup. Anybody knows that if race prepared than above mentioned
> supercars would
> become much faster on the track. Simplifying things we can tell
> that in general
> it comes down to reducing ride height, increasing roll/ride
> stiffness, camber
> etc. This car will be slightly softer and higher than typical
> supercar to make
> it a bit more practical on the public roads yet in about 15
> minutes it could be
> converted into all out racing machine, providing significant
> downforce and
> adequate chassis to support it. It has to set records all over
> the place -
> Nordschleife, TopGear test track, anywhere it goes. Wide public
> has to discover
> that there's something also beside piston engines that's worth
> their attention :)
> Now let's forget about feasibility and practicality - in terms
> of cost and
> availability. Let's dream up an ultimate automotive rotary.
> Absolutely minimum
> possible weight, maximum power, maximum structural integrity and
> rigidity (can
> we make it so it could be used as chassis structural member?)
> yet reliable. I
> admire things like Powersport development unit but we need to go
> further.  Aluminum end and side plates? - great. Saves us
> lots of weight. But thermally
> not stable (loosing strength rapidly).  How about
> titanium?  Could it be used to
> substitute iron?
> Also to increase power we need more revs -> lighter rotors. Some
> talk about alu
> rotors but Paul says that it will melt - no questions here. Ti
> would not. How Ti
> could be used in a rotary engine? Also in turbine? It's widely
> used in aircraft
> turbine blades etc.  Here in Russia we have technologies to
> cast, form, weld and
> machine it. In this project we use it in chassis - wishbones,
> uprights,
> integrated roll cage, rear/front subframe made of hollow thin
> wall titanium
> panels making extremely light and stiff structure. Upright is
> capable to
> withstand worst case loads while weighting 6lb. Fallowing R
> version will use
> titanium gearbox similar to F1's. So why don't we use it in engine?
>   Also ceramics - if the piece is pf relatively simple
> geometry than it could
> work in high temp/low friction applications. We use it in our
> wheel bearings and
> it's been used in top racing engines with great success.
>   I'm not an engine guy by any means that's why I ask. What
> ever comes to mind -
> any material, technology, anything that can make this engine
> lighter, more
> powerful and reliable? Let's play with it. Imagine we're kids
> and let our
> thoughts fly.
>   Save your time posting things like (thought you can
> freely do it if you like
> to) - who are you to make such a car/engine? People involved in
> this little
> project been there and done that. Things including all time
> great McLaren F1
> road car as well as GP, LM and Indy wining race cars.
>   When it will come to engine build I would come up to
> someone with great
> experience and track record. He would be supplied with parts for
> test and
> development. I've talked to some builders and would love to hear
> your opinion
> who's the best in the business. I liked talking with Carlos
> Lopes - he has great
> experience. Most recently being involved with Mazda ALMS effort
> (tech.
> regulations didn't allow engine to shine.) alongside Rick Engman
> and Dr.
> Francesco Iannetti. But I'd like to have my own concept and
> requirements.  .
>   Here's a couple of pic's of Murena.
> Exterior image  - undergoing heavy redesign after extensive
> CFD study. So don't
> be too crude :) It's a WIP.
> Rear subframe with suspension - all titanium except  gearbox.
> Rear titanium upright.
>
>   That's about it.
> Thank You
> Ted


Hi Ted,

For ceramic rotary engine, the link is in Paul's web site.
http://ceramicrotaryengines.com/ Has no oil pan and no coolant so no
rads.  So all you need is an air intake.  But not available before?

Marc Joseph

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